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By the way, I don't hate Thatcher, I find it hard to hate anyone, but I'm bored to death of all the media lies.
She divided the country - those who were rich obviously loved her since it was them that she supported. A different story though to most who were working class. She single-handedly decimated the trade unions, from which they have never recovered
All those working class people who bought their council houses at a knock down price might disagree with you on that one.
She clipped the wings of the unions, yes, but it needed doing. They were an enemy within, holding the country to ransom. Tellingly Labour didn't repeal the trade union laws Mrs Thatcher had introduced.
She badly lacked compassion - this was her (most blatant) main fault.
In the political arena, she was focused, driven, resolute and uncompromising - wheter they be right or wrong, the traits of a strong leader.
Lacking compassion? One would have to know her personally to make that judgement and even then one doesn't know another's heart.
You have to wonder about what she accomplished when her funeral arrangements have to take into account heavy security. :rolleyes:
That is more a reflection on them wouldn't you say?
Harsh words by George Galloway. Words that have to be said: [url]Tramp the Dirt Down | Red Molucca[/url]
By the way, I don't hate Thatcher, I find it hard to hate anyone, but I'm bored to death of all the media lies.
We are lucky enough to live in a democracy. We have freedom of political expression.
If someone didn't like MrsT, fine. If they didn't like her policies, fine. If they thought she was bad for the country and history will view her unfavourably, fine.
But what sort of a person holds hate for 30 years; says the most vile, hateful things about an old woman with dementia, celebrates someone's death and threatens to disrupt a funeral?
We are lucky enough to live in a democracy. We have freedom of political expression.
If someone didn't like MrsT, fine. If they didn't like her policies, fine. If they thought she was bad for the country and history will view her unfavourably, fine.But what sort of a person holds hate for 30 years; says the most vile, hateful things about an old woman with dementia, celebrates someone's death and threatens to disrupt a funeral?
I couldn’t have put it better myself. To take delight in the demise of another human being is beyond vile, beyond comprehension and ultimately demeans the person behaving atrociously.
What baffles me is that there were shouts of joy from the student unions – Oh yes from people who weren’t even BORN when Maggie was PM.
Did Maggie make mistakes – yes certainly. So does everybody and no PM gets everything right. I find the whole hatred of Mrs T thing very misogynistic as other PMs have behaved badly but they haven’t aroused the screeching masses as Maggie has done. Brown took from pensions and Blair took this country into an illegal war – both acts as low as you can get.
I remember the 70s with constant power strikes. Mrs T inherited a poison chalice from Labour who always spend, spend, spend with the “money fairy” providing. She made tough decisions – were they all right ? Well many industries were unprofitable as coal from Australia was a lot cheaper than that produced in the UK but it depends what position you take. The economy was helped but many communities died. My personal belief was that she made this country strong and she stood up for this country unlike many weak and mealy mouthed PMs before and since. For that I’m grateful to her. I don’t deny that she didn’t always get it right but she has been the best PM since WW2.
To make merry or revive old grudges now she has passed away is pretty despicable.
I lived through the Thatcher era as a child growing up, I don’t remember a lot of the era but I do recall a lot of unrest, unions seemed to be on TV a lot, Arthur Scargill and manufacturing industry suffering, pickets, strikes, TV documentaries reporting on deprived areas etc.
As expected there will be a mixed reaction in the country which is understandable, I expect the stronger the feeling of bitterness and resent the more that that person or family may have been affected by Thatcherism. Which in turn must make it difficult to find some respect for her death due to the immense emotional turmoil currently churning society’s stomachs.
Families, extended families and friends living through a period where suffering must have been very difficult yet bringing people together united in their grief of the times.
Trauma even being lived today, through the memories of the time, we cannot know the individual’s suffering to judge their opinion on Margaret Thatcher.
Above all she is human,(some may debate this!) at this point I cannot think of anything else but to consider what type of person she must have been? I wonder if she ever considered the nickname ‘Iron Lady’ and quietly said to herself’ But I am not really like that, am I?’ Maybe as a woman prime minister did society think we would be nurtured and listened to?
Yet reports say world leaders respected her highly!. One thing I feel should be respected is the day of her funeral, I say this more so for her family, they are grieving and should not go through the fear of her funeral being possibly disrupted. Parts of society knew her as the Iron lady who ruined society but maybe her family knew her as a mum with feelings of their own!
We are lucky enough to live in a democracy. We have freedom of political expression.
I wonder if Alfie Meadows would agree with you. Or Bethan Tichbourne. Or the students of Sussex University.
I wonder if she ever considered the nickname ‘Iron Lady’ and quietly said to herself’ But I am not really like that, am I?’
My recollection of the time is that she was proud of the nickname. Certainly many who used that name for her meant it as a complement.
Harsh words by George Galloway. Words that have to be said: [url]Tramp the Dirt Down | Red Molucca[/url]
That would be the same George Galloway who harangued one of his wives into a nervous breakdown then? (well known in the area that I live).
The same George Galloway who toadied to Saddam Hussain?
Nice man...not.:rolleyes:
I grew up watching a woman who made me believe that women could do anything they set their mind too, it is also apparent that in the ensuing years people wanted to achieve better standards for themselves in housing, property, learning etc and I see nothing wrong with that.
My mum and dad (who worked in the steel industry originally!) bought their house, set up businesses and thrived in the time Thatcher ran the country, it wouldn't have happened if Scargill had decimated everything with his ideas and Union strikes etc. Scargill destroyed the coal industry in my opinion. I also remember that Liebour didn't repeal the sanctions set on the unions when they got back into power!
p.s. I am also old enough to remember the 3 day week, the power cuts, the piles of rubbish lying uncollected, vermin etc.
O.K. So how does everyone feel about her funeral costing £10 million!!!!
Granted they have to have heavy security and military attending but even so it's an unbelievable figure.
At a time when this country is on its knees, financially, I find this outrageous....
if not, obscene! 😡
O.K. So how does everyone feel about her funeral costing £10 million!!!!
Granted they have to have heavy security and military attending but even so it's an unbelievable figure.At a time when this country is on its knees, financially, I find this outrageous....
if not, obscene! 😡
I think you may find that like all large public "occasions" it will draw massive crowds from around the world and bring in more than the cost in monies generated by the spectacle.
Also this is a figure touted by the Daily Mail, a paper that I considered to be as newsworthy as a chocolate teapot. I, for one, don't always believe what I read in a newspaper and certainly not some of the red tops or the Daily Muck.
I think you may find that like all large public "occasions" it will draw massive crowds from around the world and bring in more than the cost in monies generated by the spectacle.
Also this is a figure touted by the Daily Mail, a paper that I considered to be as newsworthy as a chocolate teapot. I, for one, don't always believe what I read in a newspaper and certainly not some of the red tops or the Daily Muck.
Well, I don't read the Daily Mail - I heard this figure quoted on the TV news,
hence I guess it has credibility.
So what do you think of this funeral costing £10 million? No problem?
From your post, it now makes me realise that it is probably being carried out as a showcase/PR exercise.
I think you might be overegging it a tad to suggest that there will be "massive crowds from around the world". I had just been chatting to people in Australia... they hadn't even heard of her. Guess no-one from the Falklands will be coming! :p
You think the news on TV has credibility? well that makes me understand you a bit better.
It is well known that the BBC, Channel 4 etc (or any TV station for that matter) only employ lefties and are extremely biased. If you don't understand the politics of news corporations I feel very sorry for you.
Whatever the cost I am sure will be worth it, after all she did negotiate a £75 billion return from the EU for the UK, or didn't you know that?
You think the news on TV has credibility? well that makes me understand you a bit better.
It is well known that the BBC, Channel 4 etc (or any TV station for that matter) only employ lefties and are extremely biased. If you don't understand the politics of news corporations I feel very sorry for you.
Whatever the cost I am sure will be worth it, after all she did negotiate a £75 billion return from the EU for the UK, or didn't you know that?
There is no need to be so patronising!
So who do you believe when it comes to the cost of her funeral? Not the Daily Mail (who are right wing) or an ITV news announcement (who you deem as being lefties) ....hard to get it right/believable for you it seems! :rolleyes:
My question was not about whether she was worth this money but more whether we could afford it NOW i.e. being in such financial dire straits already.