William Rand awarded $60,000 in lawsuit against Kathleen Milner

All i can find is

http://www.reiki.org/ReikiClasses/teachers/rand.html

William received Reiki I in 1981 and Reiki II in 1982 from Bethel Phaigh who received her master training from Mrs. Takata. In 1989 he received the master training from Diane McCumber and Marlene Schilke and in 1991 from Leah Smith. In 2002, he received the master training in Gendai Reiki from Hiroshi Doi and also in 2002 the Komyo Reiki training from Hyakuten Inamoto. In 2001 he took Reiki I&II from Mrs. Yamaguchi and her son Tadao in Kyoto Japan.

So where did Diane McCumber teach?

When I was first attuned to Reiki I was given the lineage of my teacher which had William Lee Rand on it. I have no reason to doubt its sincerity and it shows William Rand being attuned by Cherie Prasuhn whose lineage is Pat Jack, Phyllis Furumoto, Hawaya Takata; Leah Smith whose lineage is Carrell Ann Farmer, Phyllis Furumoto, Hawaya Takata; and Diane McCumber whose lineage is Arthur Robertson, Iris Ishikura, Hawaya Takata.

Hope that helps rather than hinders.

Mike

Healistic,

Your quoted paragraph gives many seemingly identical results when copied into Google. Could you please quote here a link to your source. Many thanks 🙂

Holistic

Hi ya all

Sometimes I wonder what this Reiki thing is all about. To me the question of the validity of one aspect of Reiki or another is very very very boring! :sleep:Why is something so simple becomes so distorted

Has all the channelling, the investigations, modifications, claims of "Takata didn't teach the whole Reiki system to the west, but I have all the answers" stuff, improved or disproved the Usui Reiki System of Natural Healing?

Is one type of attunement more powerful over other or is it all ego? Is lineage more important than the act of actual healing?

Does an attunement really open somone to channelling Reiki, or is it just auto-suggestion?

May be the ritual of telling someone they are a powerful confident Reiki healer that can channel energy without depletion, is the catalyst for change within the student of Reiki.

May be Reiki is a dynamic vibration of healing energy, or may be it's all a load of B.S.

As for the validity of William L Rand, I don't care because doing Reiki is far more important than the ego battles amongst a minority of practitioners.

Best Wishes

Reiki Pixie

Court case Rand Vs Milner

Steven,

The settlement that Kathleen has been ordered to pay, stems form her attempt to clarify the preceding case that William filled against her.

Here are the details of her newsletter.

[INDENT]William Randsued me in 1995 on a business tort demanding that I pay him $60,000 because his income went down after I publicly declared that while William Rand was handing out a "Sai Baba Reiki lineage" with my name on it and making references to my book, Reiki & Other Rays of Touch Healing, (which included taking the symbols therein and in many cases changing the names and providing his own definition), William Rand was not doing the initiations that I talked about in my book, nor doing what I described in my book. William did not win his case against me - I was the defendant. The case was dismissed with prejudice. Mr. Rand signed a Statement of Settlement agreeing that the Reiki systems we taught were distinct and different.

My attorney represented me at the hearing, and I only met Mr. Rand once and quite briefly at a Reiki Conference in Kansas City, which was held well after Tera Mai had been trademarked. Mr. Rand initially saw the symbols that are in Reiki & Other Rays of Touch Healing at the home of Dorothy and Gordon Bell in Newcastle, England in my video (now a DVD), Symbols in Healing. Mr. Rand received initiations into what would shortly thereafter be trademarked as Tera Mai Reiki from Karen Murphy in Chicago, Illinois. Mr. Rand renamed and trademarked the Sai Baba Reiki initiations he was giving as Karuna Reiki.

The case, CIVIL ACTION NO. 25 DV 71628 DT, filed in United States District court, Eastern District of Michigan, Southern Division, and presided over by the Honorable Paul D. Borman, is on file and the records may be check and verified.[/INDENT][INDENT]In one of her newsletters last year she printed a description of the case and an explanation to help clarify many of the rumors that were floating around. [/INDENT][INDENT]Unfortunately Rand's lawyers pick up on it and brought her back to court, because in the previous settlement neither party was allowed to discuss the case at all. [/INDENT][INDENT]Since Kathleen put the results in her newsletter to clarify what had actually happened, she was then breaking the agreement and Rand's Lawyers jumped all over it. I did have contact with William and requested that he just let the whole matter go, as she was only looking to end many of the rumors that were floating around.

It would have been easy to just put out a joint statement.
[/INDENT][INDENT]Most of the Rumors that were being spread were that Kathleen was the one who sued William. Most of the rumors seemed to favor William and point at Kathleen as being the aggressor to sue William. The opposite was actually the case. It was totally in William's best interest that the rumors continue. Her Newsletter was only a presentation of the results of the case, nothing derogatory was said about William, only the facts. You see it is OK that everyone else talks about it, but Kathleen basically is not allowed to mention anything about the case. [/INDENT][INDENT]She did and now she owes William $60,000.[/INDENT][INDENT]As far as I know this has nothing to do with his Reiki Lineage or anything to do with Hawayo Takata. It was just business. [/INDENT][INDENT]I know some people do not like to get involved or care about these things and wish to dismiss it as two egos fighting it out in Court, but it really goes much deeper than that. [/INDENT][INDENT]It does have much to do with Freedom of speech. I suppose William could take me to court for what I have written here! [/INDENT][INDENT]What is really odd is that Kathleen has been ordered by the court to publish the facts of the case in her Newsletter and issue a public apology to William. It is almost Identical to what she was being sued over! [/INDENT][INDENT]I hope this helps clarify the situation. [/INDENT][INDENT]All Love[/INDENT][INDENT]Patrick[/INDENT]

NEW DEVELOPMENTS

Some interesting new developments were just brought to my attention in my quest to research modern Reiki history.

For reasons I do not know at this time, William Rand did not have to pay $60,000 to Kathleen Milner. I do not have documentation that supports this but have good reason to believe it's true.

Additionally, the new feedback I have been given suggests that they may not discuss the original case but may discuss the current case.

So with that in mind, anyone I have brought up for discussion may join in this discussion and add a completely new dimension (perhaps a more correct one) to the entire situation at hand.

If I have brought up any element for discussion that is factually incorrect, I need to know.

Buck

This really puts Reiki in good light, doesn't it. People sueing each other over Reiki; people claiming their Reiki is better than others. This is just what Reiki is about. Nice. :rolleyes:

Hi Darren

This is the point I was trying to make. Dr. Usui must be turning in his grave!

Reiki isn't the problem, it's all this trademarking and copyrighting by ego driven so called channelling*. Then they (the copyright/trademark holder) states this is to keep the purity of the system and to keep up standards. Really it's a commercial decision!

Reiki Pixie

* It was God, Buddha, a Tibetan monk, Usui himself, a Cornish piskey, Sai Baba (who???), or Zog from Alpha Century (a representive of the galactic council) told me to do it.

Pixie

The problem is much deeper than just people trademarking. The Trademarking is a result of Dishonest people making false claims about what they teach and the result is others creating a trademark so people will know what they are getting.

That is one reason why Reiki is being regulated in the UK soon.

All Love

Patrick

Keep in mind Kathleen never wanted to go to court. It was William Rand who to her to court. Kathleen was only defending herself.

Hi Patrick

Rules don't necessary make for a better world. There is unfortunately always some dishonest people around. Rules and regulation doesn't always stop them either. Gas installers in the UK have to be Corgi regulated but there are some (a minority thank goodness) who say they are when they are not and prepared to be fined by law. There has been TV programmes about this. Then there is the case of Shipman, the medical doctor who killed 100's of his patients before getting caught. Medicine is a regulated profession. An extreme case of course, but true. Even the famous naturopath and author Jan de Vries fined for practising osteopathy without proper registration in the UK. There are other osteopaths in the UK who are not registrated and called themselves manpulation or massage therapists, and that's legal under English Common law (at the moment).

So standards are questionable, that is why I question them!

Best Wishes

Dave

HI Dave,

In your post you seem to get the impression that I am in favor of the regulation and trademarking.

One of the reasons I did not Trademark Seichim or Sekhem is because I wanted it to be shared freely without all the restrictions.

I see the standardization of Reiki something that many other countries will adopt as well. Currently some Reiki therapist have to pass the Massage licensing in the USA. I personally would rather not have it, but it is part of the process as more people are realizing it's potential.

Again personally I would rather not have it. I teach in the UK so my preference would not have to deal with all the bureaucracy that will follow with regulations.

If people wish to have a trademark that is up to them, but trademarks need to be enforced and that will bring up another whole set of issues.

I hope this help

All Love

Patrick

Hi ya Patrick

Yes, I did rightly or wrongly feel that you was pro-regulation.

I'm kind of pro-regulation if it enhances the profession properly.

I just find it interesting how TMing or (C)ing causes so many problems, arguements, lawsuits etc, not just in Reiki but in many other therapies. May be it's better not to bother and take a risk. I think a better way of doing TMing is to TM the name of the school rather than the title of the therapy.

Best Wishes

Dave

Oh dear, only in America.....
It's only when money or prestige are at stake that problems arise.
What about 'for the greater/ higher good' or plain old fashioned for the love of fellow man?
When I trained (1 & 2) we had major discussions about lineage and whether it mattered, energy is energy, it all comes from the same source. we also discussed charging for treatments, asking for donations or should it be free? Unless you have financial overheads there's only so much you can legitimately charge without it being excessive.
It worries me when ego gets in the way, we should all be doing it for the same reason regardless of lineage, cost or status, but then I'm old fashioned and believe in doing things for the love of it.