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 kvdp
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Silver is pretty toxic, it's not just antibiotic, it's anti many things. There's a reason why heavy metals (mercury etc) are no lonbger used as treatments, personally I wouldn't put it in my body.

Yes it may 'work', that can mean many things, depending on what we expect from the treatment.


 
Posted : 19/10/2010 4:02 pm
 kvdp
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I'm afraid Ava I disagree with the tin-hat theory. When inflammation or local symptoms are reduced, this is interference with a healing process, pure and simple. When that happens, the body redistributes its problems and priorities nto accomodate the demands of the treatment: all that happens is that the strain that was taken by the local tissues (joint) becomes thrown onto another part (organ). This is the problem with treatment of specifics, it's like de-cluttering one room in a house - all the clutter just ends up in the other rooms.

Next, inflammation is one of our most important healing processes. When we suffer these acute-on-chronic problems, this is simply the body having repeated attempts to correct the problem but for whatever reason being unable to see the process through.

Sometimes resolution means a more substantial shift. For example, I recently treated a lady with RSI in the wrists, everybody she had been to had tried to damp down the inflammation but it had never fully resolved. During our work together there was a point where she had 2 days of excruciating inflammation, and then it was all over and things moved to a different level. I didn't provoke this inflammation, it happens when the body has regained the reserves to have another go at rebuilding the affected tissues.

In effect, local palliation, reduces local symptoms but increases general degeneration, which is why those who know all the quick fixes seem to have myriad 'unrelated' health niggles all the blooming time. That would be my preferred theory.

As for chondroitin, RP, I disagree - it is a protein, our bodies can make it easily out of lower building blocks. How do you think it gets inside the chicken? If you eat it, it will more than likely be broken down before anything useful is done with it.

And Glucosamine is not an essential amino acid. So if we are not making enough ourselves, we have to ask why - are we deficient in something else, perhaps, or toxic in some way.

Hence I have never yet recommended anybody to take either of these substances.


 
Posted : 19/10/2010 4:10 pm
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Silver is pretty toxic, it's not just antibiotic, it's anti many things. There's a reason why heavy metals (mercury etc) are no lonbger used as treatments, personally I wouldn't put it in my body.

Yes it may 'work', that can mean many things, depending on what we expect from the treatment.

Its usage was only stopped when it was found to be very useful, and the pharmaceutical industry couldnt patent it. The studies in Brussels seems to be getting along very nicely with it, and after years of me suffering from the cold sore virus, for 30 odd years, one dose of this, 4 years ago, and I havent had one since :D:D:D so yes, its gets my vote, even though I took it slightly off topic 😉 (oh and it was a massive dose, but I didnt have any side effects, and im still here.....though some would say im :confused::eek: slightly delirious 😉 )


 
Posted : 19/10/2010 4:48 pm
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Ylangrose - Oh yes, of course, I agree. But in my example it's slightly different, surely? i.e. Why would I believe that it would have an unexpected and undesired effect of reducing the flushing of my cheeks... and have evidence visible to other folk that it has? Anyway, I'm just laboring a point. I'm sure we are both in agreement - no need to fuss over details!

Ava x

Yes I see what you mean. A placebo wouldn't cause unexpected things to happen.


 
Posted : 19/10/2010 5:58 pm
 kvdp
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Its usage was only stopped when it was found to be very useful, and the pharmaceutical industry couldnt patent it. The studies in Brussels seems to be getting along very nicely with it, and after years of me suffering from the cold sore virus, for 30 odd years, one dose of this, 4 years ago, and I havent had one since :D:D:D so yes, its gets my vote, even though I took it slightly off topic 😉 (oh and it was a massive dose, but I didnt have any side effects, and im still here.....though some would say im :confused::eek: slightly delirious 😉 )

I guess we'll let darwin decide this one...


 
Posted : 19/10/2010 8:23 pm
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Hi Kvdp

Re: Post # 17. Yes I do realise that otherwise Vegetarianism wouldn't work. My statement was to highlight (taking the p*** actually) that the fact that people like to take a tablet at a premuim price but not look at their whimsical diet.

I once read an article about a Chinese martial artist in his 70s. He is known for his flexability. Asked how he was so flexable, and his reply was that he ate animal gristle soup regularly every month.

Biologically speaking, the nearer tissue is to the human body, the greater the absorpion of that tissue into the human body. So there maybe something in these old folk remedies.

Best Wishes

RP

P.S. I'm a veggie so no yummy meaty carcass cartilaginous soup for me 😉


 
Posted : 19/10/2010 9:56 pm
 kvdp
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Biologically speaking, the nearer tissue is to the human body, the greater the absorpion of that tissue into the human body. So there maybe something in these old folk remedies.

P.S. I'm a veggie so no yummy meaty carcass cartilaginous soup for me 😉

I'm veggie too, but I'm now thinking cannibalism might be the way forward! ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_%28disease%29 )

[OK, I'd better move on before getting a slap from the ministrators!:offtopic:]


 
Posted : 20/10/2010 7:09 am
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I guess we'll let darwin decide this one...

I thought he was dead? 😉


 
Posted : 20/10/2010 8:39 am
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Hi there

I've just been reading through the comments about your shoulder. Sorry that you have been in so much pain. Have you considered trying Bowen Therapy? There is no manipulation involved but it can have really dramatic effects with shoulder problems, whether they are arthritis related or more like frozen shoulder symptoms. Have a look at www.bowentherapists.com for more details and therapists in your area. I am a Bowen practioner myself and usually have very good results as do most Bowen therapists, and usually with very few sessions. You may find that this works well for you - most people that come to me have already tried various things and I am often the last resort!
You could also try using Forever Living aloe vera - they do a juice drink called Forever Freedom and this can be very effective at balancing your auto immune system. Most people don't think of healing from the inside out but if you digestive system is in peak condition you are more likely to get a benefit from supplements such as glucosamine. I know the recent research suggested that this was not beneficial but that is likely to be because they tested it in isolation. If your digestive system is not working efficiently you will not absorp much of the supplement. however the Forever Freedom includes the necessary minerals and amino acids to restore your disgestive system, it also contains the glucosamine, etc to help with joint pain and arthritis so it worth looking at - it certainly helps me!

Hope that helps!

Good luck x


 
Posted : 20/10/2010 10:17 am
 kvdp
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I thought he was dead? 😉

Yes, but not before having ten children. However, he was married to his first cousin, and as a result the children were apparently not very healthy.


 
Posted : 20/10/2010 11:09 am
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