Hi Muzone,
I used to feel exactly the same, searching for truths through rationalism, determinism and reductionism (aka the 'modern way')...
Mmm, I don't think that's what I'm doing...
...then was fortunate enough to be blessed with the realisation that it is better to rely use our instinctive and emotional senses rather than our constructs of intellect to understand the Universe.
Yep. I'm just pointing out that we need to take care about what we assume to be the case and that often we think it's totally rational and it isn't.
Since then it has been a bit more than obvious :nature-smiley-008:
I hope so!
But I'd still love to know why Mason could cure warts with hypnotherapy and could even cure ichthyosis with hypnotherapy when he thought he was just treating a case of warts and then couldn't treat ichthyosis when he knew what he was treating.
I wonder if he could treat ichthyosis now that we know (as explained by Bruce Lipton) that organisms can rewrite mutations in their DNA?
Norbu
Hi Norbu
Mmm, I don't think that's what I'm doing...
More an expression of my own experiences than an assumption of yours, no offense intended 🙂
....... often we think it's totally rational and it isn't.
rationality doesn't play a big part in my life these days - I just go with the chaos.......
But I'd still love to know why Mason could cure warts with hypnotherapy and could even cure ichthyosis with hypnotherapy when he thought he was just treating a case of warts and then couldn't treat ichthyosis when he knew what he was treating.
I wonder if he could treat ichthyosis now that we know (as explained by Bruce Lipton) that organisms can rewrite mutations in their DNA?
I guess if Morton doubted the healing he was attempting then it would fail from all the negative energy, I think self belief is a major part of the healer's ability and possibly the hardest one to acquire.
When I started, my 'scientist self' had difficulties accepting my 'healing self' and the resultant conflicts meant I had very poor outcomes to the extent I was surprised when anything 'worked' - I had to undo many years of programming before I could feel confident with clients but I think I'm over that now and have a much more open mind and receptive spirit.
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After publishing this case Mason was approached by other patients diagnosed with ichthyosis but he was unsuccessful in treating them. Mason concluded that his knowledge of the diagnosis had reduced his ability to carry out the treatment.
Hi Norbu
Is there any discussion on the beliefs of the patients in the book. If the hypnotherapists beliefs are important then perhaps equal or more importance should be placed on the beliefs of the patients. Not just their belief in the specific therapist but also their belief in the therapy and their beliefs in the possibility of a cure. Perhaps the belief that warts can be cured is more common than the belief that ichthyosis can be cured.
Interesting subject.
Hi Typical,
Is there any discussion on the beliefs of the patients in the book.
Lipton only explains that after Mason published his account of the successful treatment of ichthyosis, clients with the diagnosis approached him for treatment.
If the hypnotherapists beliefs are important then perhaps equal or more importance should be placed on the beliefs of the patients. Not just their belief in the specific therapist but also their belief in the therapy and their beliefs in the possibility of a cure.
In this case the clients were displaying a belief that it was at least worth a shot, if not they believed that Mason could treat their condition.
Perhaps the belief that warts can be cured is more common than the belief that ichthyosis can be cured.
So this is a third possible "belief" factor aspect: commonly held belief about the curability of the condition.
Yes it is a really interesting case.
Norbu
Hi Muzone,
I guess if Morton doubted the healing he was attempting then it would fail from all the negative energy, I think self belief is a major part of the healer's ability and possibly the hardest one to acquire.
I'm not sure I know what you mean by "negative energy" 😉 but doubt on Mason's part seems to be a significant factor.
When I started, my 'scientist self' had difficulties accepting my 'healing self' and the resultant conflicts meant I had very poor outcomes to the extent I was surprised when anything 'worked' - I had to undo many years of programming before I could feel confident with clients but I think I'm over that now and have a much more open mind and receptive spirit.
Interesting isn't it?
Norbu
Nothing can be finally explained
Hope this makes sense,
Subhuti asked: "Is it possible to find perfect wisdom through reflection or listening to statements or through signs or attributes, so that one can say 'This is it' or 'Here it is'?"
The Buddha answered: "No, Subhuti. Perfect wisdom can't be learned or distinguished or thought about or found through the senses. This is because nothing in this world can be finally explained, it can only be experienced, and thus all things are just as they are. Perfect wisdom can never be experienced apart from all things. To see the Suchness of things, which is their empty calm being, is to see them just as they are. It is in this way that perfect wisdom and the material world are not two, they are not divided. As a result of Suchness, of calm and empty being, perfect wisdom cannot be known about intellectually. Nor can the things of the world, for they are understood only through names and ideas. Where there is no learning or finding out, no concepts or conventional words, it is in that place one can say there is perfect wisdom."
-Ashtasahasrika
Norbu