RE: The essence of spiritual effort-Pleasing the Lord in Human form
Hello Dattaswami
Yes, you are right, I am indeed perplexed. [sm=idea.gif][sm=idea.gif][sm=idea.gif]. I have read your posting and unfortunately I still find your writings to be most bizarre.
You say that the same Lord revealed the same knowledge in the entire world in different languages. But Islam and Christianity say that there is no rebirth.
The way you have written it makes it look as if I have actually written this soI wanted to make it clear to any others who may read this that you were writing in the 'third person' here.
If it is Zero percent you are falling back to the earth in the cycle of animals and birds.
As a trained scientist, with a degree in Zoology, I would like to point out to you that humans are also animals.The species'Homo sapiens'isclasified as amammal, as defined by the following:-
Any of various warm-blooded vertebrate animals of the class Mammalia, including humans, characterized by a covering of hair on the skin and, in the female, milk-producing mammary glands for nourishing the young.
Therefore, with respect, I consider your reasoning to besomewhat inaccurate.
By the way, you still haven't answered my question as to the reason for your postings.
So I'll ask again.;)
Can you perhaps unlighten us all as to the purpose of your postings because, with respect, you do very little to engage yourself in intellectual dialogue. By dishing out all this what appears to be 'cut and paste' stuff, it does very little to let us know what you are actually trying to get at.
Best wishes
Moonfairy
RE: The essence of spiritual effort-Pleasing the Lord in Human form
moonfariy;
) In Islam and Christianity there is no rebirth for the soul. The soul gets human birth only once. After this human birth the soul will either go to the Lord or will go to the hell permanently. Only one Lord created this entire universe. Therefore the policy should be the same for all the souls in this universe. There is only one Lord. All the souls are equal to Him. Can you deny this? If you dont agree with this theory, you can follow your own faith. But your faith is not important. The truth is important. What ever is true, that alone happens and not as per your faith. If you agree with this policy I can correlate all the religions. If you can correlate all the religions in a better way, I will also agree with you. If you are not caring for the correlation and follow your faith only, there is nothing for me to preach you. My correlation of all the religions is like this : In Gita two paths are explained. In the first path one goes to Brahmaloka without returning back. In the other path one returns back to this earth and falls in the cycle of births and deaths which is the wheel of Samsara. In all the religions there are only two paths. Reaching Brahmaloka is reaching the Lord. Falling in the cycle animals and births is going to the hell permanently. The soul which, has fallen in this hell will never get the human rebirth in which there is facility of trying to reach Brahmaloka. Not getting such a spiritual human rebirth is the absence of rebirth. The soul which, goes to Brahmaloka will never get the rebirth of animals and birds and in such sense this soul also has no rebirth. But one point is to be understood carefully. The birth of animal, bird, worm etc., does not mean the actual animal or bird or worm etc., There are several human beings who live like animals, birds and worms. Such human births are also the births of animals, birds, worms etc., We are seeing such human beings in majority on this earth. They are immersed in the worldly bonds like money, children etc., They cannot cut their blind love to these worldly bonds. Even if they put some spiritual effort, it is incomplete because of the attachment with these bonds. Such souls when they go to the upper worlds are also involved in such bonds in the upper worlds also. They can never attain Brahmaloka by preaching any amount of divine knowledge to them. But if they are not preached they will blame the Lord during the enquiry posing that they might have attained Brahmaloka, had they received the divine knowledge. The Lord preaches them also only to save himself from such blame and not to save them. Therefore if you are having all the facilities and also interest in the spiritual line this is the best birth for you and this is the only chance for you. If you waste this human birth you are falling into the births of animals etc., You are not given such chance again. Islam and Christianity say that the soul has to wait for the final enquiry which, is to be done at the end of this world. This human body (Pindanda) is stated as the world (Brahmanda). The human body is a mini world containing the same components. Therefore the death of this human body can be treated as the end of this world from the point of the soul. You can also treat the day as birth and night as death. Veda says that the deep sleep is equal to death (Naviduhu Sati Sampatsyama Iti). Gita also says the same (Prabhavantyaharagame). Therefore the feelings (Samskaras) of previous births mean only the feelings of yesterday. If you are on the spiritual line and if you are making sincere spiritual effort to cut these worldly bonds and to strengthen the bond with the Lord, your lifetime can be extended by the Lord. You will cross the day of your death by the grace of the Lord which, is a rebirth. Such extension of life will help you really in the spiritual effort if you are given a human rebirth there will be lot of gap since you have to stay in the womb of your mother and you have to cross the childhood. Such long gap will g
RE: The essence of spiritual effort-Pleasing the Lord in Human form
Anil sorry I disagree with you again.
But Islam and Christianity say that there is no rebirth.
That's strange because every Muslim I have met believes in reincarnation and past lives. Also you speak of literal Christianity and there is the original Christianity and there is scripture available that proves that Jesus taught reincarnation and about karma. It was included in the first two compilations of the bible, the Marcion version and the Origen version.
Furthermore, whilst reading your text my immediate feeling was
'know your own truth'
If you had done your own research and discovered your own truth, you would know what I have written above is true. So if you have not done any research and this is not your own truth whose is it?
A great deal of ancient wisdom is being re-interpreted and re-presented in 21st century language, in its simplicity - it is simple to understand. I must admit my experience is very different to the text that you keep on posting, however, it you could dialog without reams of text, and speak from your heart we may understand where you are coming from and why.
Divine Love
RE: The essence of spiritual effort-Pleasing the Lord in Human form
PS
And you might like to be updated on the lastest view on hell from the Vatican.
On 28th July 1999 Pope John Paul II stated that hell is not a place, but rather, a state of being. He said that it is the result of having separated yourself from God, who is the source of all life and joy.
HEAVEN, HELL AND PURGATORY
Pope John Paul II
In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him.
Heaven is Fullness of Communion with God
Anil why would we wish to go back to old theology when the insights of the new revelations are so uplifting, empowering and joyous?
Divine Love
PPS And if you continue to ignore peoples questions I would not be surprised if they stop responding to your posts.