RE: Devotion and Love in Hinduism
ORIGINAL: sunanda
Dear David
God wasn't present IMHO in punk head-banging, nor in the NT dance of Samome
Oh but there is nowhere that God is not. IMHO;);)
I don't think you gals are getting me. Existence is God. Matter is God. Yes. But God as energy or matter can be misused. To correct my typo above, I was referring to Salome's dance - deliberately done to inflame the ruler so that she could then ask for John the Baptist's head. God's energy is everywhere but can be inverted, turned upside down, and abused.
I'm just reading how tens of thousands died in one day on a battlefield in WWI, in a dreadful way. Mown down like grass. God was there too but IMHO it wasn't right or His Will.
V xxx
RE: Devotion and Love in Hinduism
Hi David
You said:
I'm just reading how tens of thousands died in one day on a battlefield in WWI, in a dreadful way. Mown down like grass. God was there too but IMHO it wasn't right or His Will.
and this feels like deja vu because I'm sure we've had this discussion before. IMHO NOTHING can happen that is not God's will. If it happened, it happened for a reason, one that we may never be able to fathom. From what I have come to believe, I would say that, as there is no death, these men did not die. That it was their time to leave this earthly existence, which is just a blink of an eye in the grand scheme of things, and move on to the next level. If there is no death, then there is no reason to question whether or not God was there or if it was right. Everything is God. God is always right. But that is just my take on it....one day we'll meet on a soul level when we've both left these impermanent shells that we call bodies, and then we'll know the truth and enjoy it for a while before we come back and start again.
Much love, as always
Sunanda xxxx
RE: Devotion and Love in Hinduism
Hi Sunanda,
Your last post is not at all off-topic in fact as here we have a war again just as in the Gita - and what is right? How to act?
The Gita, some say, doesn't support pacificism (others say it does!). But on God's Will I don't recall a former discussion.
My take, in brief, is that God's Will is Good, and only Good. But part of the 'Plan' is to give humans free will with the intention we'll use it also for Good and hence grow. Therefore war, murder, anger, (head-banging maybe!) are not God's Will but the taking and misusing of His energy.
We'll return to this topic when both 'up there' and sort out who's right! 😀
Betcha I win.... (If I do, YOU have to play the harp for a year while I lay back and listen).
Venetian xxx
RE: Devotion and Love in Hinduism
ORIGINAL: sunanda
I would say that, as there is no death, these men did not die. That it was their time to leave this earthly existence,
But there's a Life-Plan and karma intended to be worked out in this life. Thus evil works (murder, war, drunk driving) can remove people from Earth before they'd done what they were here to do IMO. There is no ultimate death but there is 'death' in that sense - you have to come back all over, and with the scars of the pain of the previous warlike and painful death.
Of course the Gita goes into this, on the battlefield, but are the comments on war just allegorical? Or are they just saying that Arjuna really was in the right and had to restore Good and Cosmic Balance - in fact the Gita does mean that.
(The book is Birdsong - fiction but much rooted in fact that I'm reading BTW.)
V xxx
RE: Devotion and Love in Hinduism
ORIGINAL: venetian
But there's a Life-Plan and karma intended to be worked out in this life. Thus evil works (murder, war, drunk driving) can remove people from Earth before they'd done what they were here to do IMO. There is no ultimate death but there is 'death' in that sense - you have to come back all over, and with the scars of the pain of the previous warlike and painful death.
Of course the Gita goes into this, on the battlefield, but are the comments on war just allegorical? Or are they just saying that Arjuna really was in the right and had to restore Good and Cosmic Balance - in fact the Gita does mean that.
(The book is Birdsong - fiction but much rooted in fact that I'm reading BTW.)
V xxx
This is a very interesting topic and maybe we should start a different thread for it is so important for people to explore it.
A dear friend, her son was recently brutally murdered knifed by two other young men. It is one thing to lose a child but something else to know that they were murdered, this made me question my faith at the time. I had watched this child grow into a man of 28, it seemed like such a waste of human life.
Yet we had the most amazing message from him, he said it was karma and all was meant to be. A wonderful indepth message that we received from him for individuals in the family. He found the energy of planet earth oppressive and was so happy to be liberated ftom it. He was also so excited about going to the hall of learning, he was just so happy! His final words were 'yes the Goddess is true' I had no idea that he had been interested in such things as I had not seen him in recent years.
On the Gita it is clear to me that it is not literal but all about the battle between the human self and divine self the battlefield being the physical plane. Surrendering control etc etc absolutely nothing to do with the word war in its literal sense.
being love
Kim xx