RE: Devotion and Love in Hinduism
Hello David,
I enjoyed reading that, thank you.
Love,
Patsy.
😀
RE: Devotion and Love in Hinduism
Dear Roger if you read the verses and compare them you will understand the question.;)
And as you mention the Sufi's may I add the wonderful Sufi quote 'I was looking for the self and I found GOD and when I found GOD I found the self.' That sums up my own experience and not something that is achieved by reading scripture or books! 😉
Although Venetian is correct it does take immense devotion and love.
Love beyond measure
Kim xx
RE: Devotion and Love in Hinduism
Just a quick P.S. to my post to Roger.
It may seem strange that I should write a thing on Love and Devotion and then disavow it! If it reads that way, it's not what I meant. Very briefly, I mean that Love and Devotion alone are too IMHO wooly - you don't get total union (maybe, and maybe I am wrong!) from Love alone. Imean, I'm thinking in terms of a genuine person who might go to church five times a week, or in Hinduism do a daily puja. I don't think it's enough.
There's a need for technique - a need for a scientific technique to be applied. Spirituality at its highest levels is a kind of a scince and does require conscious technique, whatever it may be. BUT technique is "dry" and leads nowhere without the motive being one of Love - to God and to fellow man/woman. I am certain that the Gita nad R mean this - that you apply technique, but that the motive must always be one of love.
Love and devotion, then, are the same thing here as motive - it's the motive behind any technique that counts. (By technique, I think for example of pranayama and things such as Kriya - it's hard for me at least to imagine that they lead anywhere good if there isn't a motivation of Love and Devotion behind them...)
RE: Devotion and Love in Hinduism
hi v,
i see where you're coming from on that (i think).
you gotta want to do it, for it to be effective and real. anyone can "learn" something and then apply that knowledge, but without the love or wanting behind it, its really just going through the motions...
like dancing... you can tell the ones who love to dance and those that just learn a routine.
you got to be "into" it.
(hope i am not off base here!)
RE: Devotion and Love in Hinduism
I mean that Love and Devotion alone are too IMHO woolly you don't get total union (maybe, and maybe I am wrong!) from Love alone.
Is supreme divine love so difficult for us to integrate, is it so hard for man to totally surrender control and move the energy into the heart of divine love? The Gita is without doubt the most proficient text on the struggle between the human and divine self. It is only through total surrender that the total union is attained. So that brings us to how much love is necessary to totally surrender? Love beyond measure every day, every thought, every word that is written and every deed that is carried out.
I mean, I'm thinking in terms of a genuine person who might go to church five times a week, or in Hinduism do a daily puja. I don't think it's enough.
Is this what some call Love and Devotion? Love and devotion is every step, every breath, every look, every sound, every waking moment.
There's a need for technique - a need for a scientific technique to be applied.
The technique is simply to let go and let GOD the Gita covers this well.
Spirituality at its highest levels is a kind of a science and does require conscious technique, whatever it may be. BUT technique is "dry" and leads nowhere without the motive being one of Love - to God and to fellow man/woman. I am certain that the Gita nad R mean this - that you apply technique, but that the motive must always be one of love.
Yes every positive and loving intent, word, thought and deed is the technique, the science of being in the heart of love. In this space one lives in ones heart of soul and not ones intellect. In conscious awareness of our impact on ourselves, others and the rest of the planet. The heart of conscience, intelligence and true wisdom can only be found in the heart, it is here in the heart that we unite with GOD, the lover and the beloved the sacred union with the divine. A willingness to love the power of love more than the love of power.
like dancing... you can tell the ones who love to dance and those that just learn a routine.
You have got it Rosie, some people love to love and some have to be shown the way........
Love beyond measure
Kim xx