RE: The Rebel
Dear Sunanda,
On gifts, Given the subject matter, what kind of person with what kind of psychology would buy a Rolls Royce for their teacher? This is obviously a "led" thing to do (something in the cult's culture encouraged them to do so), for would you or I do it? Of course not. What kind of culture, derived from the originator, would encourage that? 😉 It seems clear that something was quite beyond rationality and certainly a universe apart from the normal Indian Guru/chela relationship. Normally a teacher would instantly refuse gifts unless they were minor and symbolic.
Ah, well, we live and learn, and it is actually very useful indeed to hear of these accounts. It puts all else along these lines into a context. In other words, not to get caught up in such things.
Venetian
RE: The Rebel
Dear Venetian
Once again you shock me
Someone as evolved as your goodself how can you stand in judgement of what Osho taught when you never entered his ashram or studied in depth his teachings?
On what real facts do you base your judgement? Third party information is not acceptable in a court of law.
I think you will find that most of the cars came from rich americans out to impress a Guru. As the rolls was all the rage in the 60's. And I think a lot of people have had experience of the american culture of 'ours is bigger and better then yours' and I agree most unenlightened of them hence why I have never felt drawn to experience the US culture but I have met some americans whilst travelling around Europe and Australia. And although this is a generalisation those devotees must have been very rich and the rich kid mentality is probably one of the hardest mindsets to convert to an enlightened one.
Due to the fact that to become enlightened one needs to release all personal desire to do so.
So I would impress, look at the culture and mindset that the givers came from and not the teacher that was the receiver. For without walking in the teacher's shoes you have not had the experience to know.
And I will say no more on the subject as you appear to be determined to concentrate on tainting the name of Osho instead of concentrating on his wisdom. And that brings much sadness to my heart for we are all brothers and sisters. It is time for the brotherhood of man to work together and build bridges of peace, replacing continued conflict that often leads to war and heartache.
Love beyond measure
Kim xx
RE: The Rebel
Words from Osho on materialism
"One has to be rich inside and one has to be rich outside too. Richness is beautiful; outer richness is beautiful just as inner richness is beautiful. Nothing is wrong in creating money. We are not begging, we are creating, and we will never beg. When we can create, why beg for it? We have never asked anybody to give money to us. When the money-minded person comes here he sees only his own mind. This is a mirror! You will find it always: your face mirrored in thousands of ways. But this has been the whole past. Mahavira renounced money, Buddha renounced money. I am against it -- I am far more in favor of a man like Janaka who lived like an emperor and yet became enlightened. I am far more in favor of Krishna who lived the life of an emperor and yet was enlightened. These people are far more balanced.'' Osho
Which brings us back to walking the middle path to achieve a balance in our lives.
Love beyond measure
kim xx
RE: The Rebel
Dear Venetian
Actually come to think of it Osho was the 'Master of Deconstruction' so perhaps he is working through you at times.
Dear All
The 16th Galaway Karmapa, leader of "Black Hat" school of Tibetan Buddhism, recognised Osho as a living Buddha. Osho spent the last years of his life discoursing almost exclusively on the teachings of a wide and often obscure selection of Zen masters.
Love beyond measure
Kim x
RE: The Rebel
Dear Sunanda
In respect of your friends
When one is a teacher one comes to accept that people make their own breakthroughs in their own time and space. One is just a catalyst attempting to make an inspirational intervention and some do fall by the wayside due to their own lack of integration and effort. But that does not degrade the truth and wisdom shared, all we can hope to do is hold that sacred space and their soul gently and graciously in the palm of our hand, so that they may be warmed by their own presence and realisations. It is truly wonderful as I am sure that you will agree when you witness the penny drop and the light switch on.
When a teacher is doing their job properly, the student is in awe of themselves and not the teacher. This is true empowerment which can then take them further onto the path of enlightenment whilst teaching their own souls to fly.
They say that the teacher arrives when the student is ready, but yet the teacher can also arrive before the student is ready.
Dance divine golden one
Kim xx