RE: The Rebel
Dear venetian
I recommend that you and others discover the truth for yourself and with love in your hearts not be blinkered by materialism, negative perceptions and Osho's human weakness. If you take the time to read the full story you will understand why he fled the USA, his life was being threatened by the powers that be and the US government were getting nasty. And so his followers who loved him beyond measure rebelled (and being the pacifist that I am this cannot be justified).
I would also be interested in you providing evidence of your accusations that Osho lied and perhaps you would like to start another thread for this as this thread's intent was to share his wisdom and not deconstruct the messenger.
Osho was given many gifts and when you receive a gift do you give it away to someone else?
Interesting to ponder upon especially as I was considering this morning of returning a gift to someone due to me not having a use for it. And a couple of weeks ago I was most upset to discover that homes gifted through will to Dr Barnado's for the use of children are being sold off because children do not go into homes in the same numbers anymore. My view is that if the charity has no use of the property then the donation should be either returned to the giver's family or given to others that will use it for the giver's original intent to help children.
Dear All
If someone who loves you deeply gives you a gift and you have no use for it what do you do? Do you return it to the giver or give it to someone else or charity?
How can one return it to the giver without them being offended?
I would be interested on what you would do in these circumstances.
Why do people feel the need to deconstruct anyone at all? Why can they not just let people BE and allow the wisdom of great teachers words to stand in its clarity.
Love beyond measure
kim xx
RE: The Rebel
Hi Kim
I don't think I would ever return a gift to the giver. But I would certainly pass it on or give it to a charity shop if I really had no use for it.
Love
Sunanda xxxx
RE: The Rebel
Dear Sunanda
Thank you for your response and with Osho in mind how do you think the giver would respond to find out that their gifts were not retained by their beloved, would they not feel undervalued? Because in Osho's case they would know if he no longer retained their gifts!
I guess it would depend on their level of evolvement and how accepting they are. Giving a gift unconditionally with no attachment to where it ends up is then different to giving a gift with specific intent e.g the case of Dr Barnado's.
In my own life my personal choice would be to have the gift returned to me so that I may replace it with something more suitable.
Love beyond measure
kim xx
RE: The Rebel
I don't see that the giver would necessarily find out about what had happened to the gift. If he/she did find out, then that would be meant to happen. It is indeed true that gifts should be given with no thought as to what will happen to them. It is hard, though, not to be attached to the fruit of one's actions. Practise, practise, practise. (That's what I tell myself.)
Love
Sunanda xxx
PS On the subject of Osho, I know many people who were his devotees. They are, on the whole, good friends and very nice people, but some of them appear to have a few problems....not that I wish to go into details.
PPS It just occurred to me to wonder why this is on the Buddhism forum?
RE: The Rebel
Dear Sunanda
Yes it matters not how great a teacher, it is up to the individual to integrate the knowledge through experience then it truly does become wisdom. After all humankind are still learning to live the truth of Jesus 2,000 years later.
I know many advanced spiritual people from many different backgrouds that have not integrated the knowledge that they have gained over many years hence why they struggle and stumble upon the path. So as you say practise, practise, practise where I say integrate, integrate, integrate.
I have also met devotees of Osho who have become wonderful examples Frank Arjava Petter and his wife Chetna of Reiki fame being just two of them. I first met some of Osho's devotees in Australia some years back but it was reading Franks books that brought Osho back into my sight and then one of my guides led me to one of Osho's books.
Why this forum well the piece shared was from the Zen Manifesto and this forum is the most closely connected with Zen.
Love beyond measure
Kim xx
PS the giver would know what happened to the gift if they were a regular visitor to Osho's ashram.