And I think the time for the delusion that all things must be testable under scientific conditions for them to be notions worthy of consideration, has passed.
Norbu
Scientific conditions are those devised by scientists to validate their methods and processes.
They give answers in the language of science to questions posed in the language of science - so if that suits your purpose then use them, but when we get down to discussions on 'truth' ,'faith' and 'awareness' the language of science may not be the only one to consider......
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Being a very simple sole (a lot of these discussions are way over my head) I like to 'keep it simple'
Say 'evolution versas Christian beliefs'.
What is easier in my mind to believe. The whole planet and all its animals, plants, insects, people came via the amoeba or God created the world in 7 days.
Each seems totally unlikely but I come down on the side of God.
What is easier in my mind to believe. The whole planet and all its animals, plants, insects, people came via the amoeba or God created the world in 7 days.
Each seems totally unlikely but I come down on the side of God.
It is good to get back to basics, I agree!
First of all, think of how God created the life in this world? Why not consider that God did it in the way that science can indeed see, but not understand the processes forcing it to work? In other words, life was created both by God and also his method was maybe - just maybe - via amoeba? (Personally I don't believe that's how humans came to be on earth, but all the same I believe that some scientific theories are true of some facets of creation.
Secondly, the "seven Days of Creation" were until recent centuries always realised to be allegorical. These are not the seven days of the week, LOL! God didn't work a 9-to-5 and then took Sunday off! No, the "seven Days" are just an allegorical and not literal way of referring to seven stages through which all Creation takes place. You can even break down creations we ourselves do - anything we do - in our lives into seven stages of how we do it.
In mystical Judaism, and Genesis does come from the period of Jewish rule, it was fully realised that the "seven days" meant seven stages, having no time-frame on them. The real mystics understood that it was all a key as to how we too can create in our lives through these same stages. (The stages are there in the first pages of Genesis.)
V
I have a friend who loves his philosophy. His writing is a bit like yours, but much more dense (removed from layman's language and understanding). I ignore his articles, and bits of his emails :p , and just talk to him. I gotta say that I've chosen to have little interest in this philosophical delving into whether everything is true or rather "what is truth?" - "would a tree still fall down if nobody was there to hear it?" or whatever. I find it leads nowhere, and in this thread is going way off-tack IMHO.
Hi V,
I was just having a little fun! 😉
But seriously, I do think that there is only one position that is defensible, if you believe that philosophy leads nowhere and that is the position held by Siddharta Gautama. He refused to engage in metaphysical speculation saying it was worthless. He did however refute the existence of the eternal soul and Brahman for this very reason.
You will find that philosophy will be a dead end if you do not wish to see the inevitable conclusion it comes to, when considering the nature of facts. But I do find that, without this philosophical context, all assertions of truth and counter-truth just end up being a bit of an exchange of rants.
Norbu
PS not need to read this one either :p
Being a very simple sole (a lot of these discussions are way over my head) I like to 'keep it simple'
Say 'evolution versas Christian beliefs'.
What is easier in my mind to believe. The whole planet and all its animals, plants, insects, people came via the amoeba or God created the world in 7 days.
Each seems totally unlikely but I come down on the side of God.
Venetian explores the possibility for both these ideas to be true. They can be, it just depends on what you mean.
It is a great mistake to confuse words for reality.
Norbu