To be pedantic, evolution is not a 'fact' it is a widely held and supported 'theory' 😉
muzone.
The fact of evolution is beyond dispute.
"Evolution!
The fact that we have evolved is beyond dispute. Walk into any museum and look at the display cabinets."
"There is no scientific argument to totally refute the creationist view that 'it was all made by God in such a way as to fool unbelievers into their opinions'"
Science doesn't work that way. There is no scientific argument to totally refute the existence of the Easter bunny or the tooth fairy.
I personally believe in a pattern of biological development from common ancestors but also think the Darwinian dogma, especially in its Dawkinsite version, is certainly not the full answer.
Define the word "dogma". In Dawkinsite terms.
I think the real interesting question is how/why life began, once you get to the level of multicellular creatures it's not surprising that small random changes accumulated into new species, but how those creatures actually arose from 'chemical soup' is way beyond us right now....
"I think the real interesting question is how/why life began,"
Forget the why's and concentrate on the how's. There is no why.
Nope!
What I mean is this: There are two principles out of which everything emerges.
The first is that some things come out of nothing and the second is that things come of of causes and conditions.
We can see see cause and effect operating all around us but some things just can't be explained by preceding causes and conditions. What is the first cause? What is the cause for consciousness?
It seems that almost infinite iterations of simple processes result in unimaginable complexity. There is just no way you could predict the emergence of the heart beat from it's building blocks yet alone predict consciousness looking at sequences of base pairs on a string of DNA. Reductionism just doesn't add up.
Existence is a mix of determinstic events and indeterministic events. The fact is there is no other way for things to be or to have come into existence. They have to come from nothing and they have to come from something both at the same time. Possibility is limitless yet cause and effect operate in a consistent manner most of the time. Uncertainty is built into the fabric of the universe. If it weren't there wouldn't be anything in the first place.
I hope I'm making a bit more sense now. Although I somehow doubt it!
Norbu
That is one fabulous word salad.
All living creatures have species groups insects, birds, cats, etc. and us humans have our species groups orientals, black, white, indians, etc.
Just a clarification that all humans of all races belong to one species, Homo sapiens.
Masha
muzone.
The fact of evolution is beyond dispute.
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If evolution was beyond dispute, then why do a significant proportion of the worlds people not subscribe to it......
Science doesn't work that way. There is no scientific argument to totally refute the existence of the Easter bunny or the tooth fairy.
As far as I know there isn't a scientific theory needed to explain these phenomena 😉
If as you say, evolution is proven beyond dispute, why are you not able to convince everyone without equating the viewpoints of creationism and darwinism with childrens stories ??
Forget the why's and concentrate on the how's. There is no why
Why not.........
:nature-smiley-008:
To be pedantic, evolution is not a 'fact' it is a widely held and supported 'theory' 😉
muzone.
The fact of evolution is beyond dispute.
The whole point of a forum such as this is usually to dialogue. You seem to merely wish to state how right you (believe) you are; there is no dialogue; everyone else is "wrong". So there's not much point in engaging.
You don't know your science. Any real scientist knows that evolution is a theory. Hence, disputable, to whatever degree, great or tiny.
Everybody in this world differs, and inevitably people crop up on this or many other forums who simply want to stamp their feet and cry "I am right! Listen to me!" Their ears are blocked, however, so it's a waste of time trying to discuss. You wouldn't have to change your ideas or tune: just discuss more open-mindedly. Lord, you don't appear willing to. 🙂
I'm afraid you do repeat yourself over and over. 🙂 That evolution, you strangely believe, is not a theory but a "fact". I think you mean that it's a widely-held theory? It is a fact that there's a theory. 🙂
The world is a smaller place now, facts can easily found via the internet. You are just a few keystrokes away.
If you believe the internet has brought only "facts" to our doorstep, that we should believe all we find on it, LOL, and it's not also got not an unbounded amount of hogwash, you're the only person I know of who believes so. :p
V