Landing in Voronezh, USSR, 1989
I've known since the year it happened that there was an alleged landing of a UFO in the Soviet city of Voronezh, on September 27, 1989, with occupants seen emerging. Voronezh is a city of 800,000 people, and the landing took place in a public park on the edge of the city, so there were potentially hundreds if not thousands of observers. Some reports mention "crowds" viewing the object. So it wasn't a case of "Do we believe one or two individuals, or not?" The case was reported first by TASS, the official Soviet news agency, and this is what lent the case such early credence.
However, within months reports were circulating, even among ufologists, that the case was a hoax. So I've never much considered it.
It now turns out from all information I can find that any reports of the case being a "hoax" were not based on any factual evidence - they were merely Westerners spouting opinions, having not looked into the case themselves. Moreover, it's possible to find witnesses over two decades on who still attest to the incident as personal witnesses.
Some early Western reports make it sound as though just a few schoolchildren were involved. But apparently there were certainly adult witnesses, including a queue at a bus stop. Adult witnesses include at least one pilot, scientists, teachers of the children, policemen, and other professionals. One witness today says, "I remember a crowd who gathered around the place."
I also didn't know that Jacques Vallee had travelled to the Soviet Union during the glasnost era, and reported in a book very favourably on the case. Vallee is generally considered the world's foremost UFO investigator. He's a respected scientist, has worked for NASA, and was one of the individuals at the heart of creating today's world-wide web. Vallee is an excellent and objective scientist, and reports that there were at least "dozens" of witnesses.
Soviet scientists, engineers, and even military personnel visited the site very soon after. It was found that impressions from the craft found at the site indicated a weight of about eleven tons, and rock was discovered allegedly of a strange kind not found upon earth. (I feel this refers to flattened ground from the landing on the earth which had been altered.)
Frankly after 21 years it is too late to do "hard research" further into Voronezh 1989, so all we can do is listen to living-witness reports and make up our own minds. It's a slightly confused case as it seems a lot of detail wasn't taken at the time. It's very unclear just how many people witnessed the landing - dozens or hundreds, or more? Strange objects in the sky, and possibly other landings, were also reported from Voronezh for days before and also after September 27, so it's not always clear if witnesses are talking about the same event. But schoolchildren were severally encouraged to draw the craft and occupants, and the drawings, while differing as one might expect in some details, are basically the same.
The best text account online of the case is possibly this one, though it's actually sceptical in places. It's worth noting that the scepticism is still just opinion, not fact-based, as the witnesses are alive and attest to a real event, though they don't know each other:
[DLMURL] http://www.ufopsi.com/articles/voronezh.html [/DLMURL]
The children's drawings of craft and occupant(s) who emerged:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case120.htm
For a video of witnesses talking more recently of what they saw:
(Note: the video trails off into other matters and gets irrelevant on 4 mins, 18 seconds.)
On the video clip, the first narrator, a Soviet investigator of the time, talks of the craft and occupants being seen more than once and as if they were investigating "around" Voronezh. But there seems to have been one particular landing in the park which involved most witnesses, and which frightened them.
Vallee's visit to the USSR:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/Cases/CaseSubarticle.asp?ID=125
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hi, have had a quick looksie but not the whole thread.
as for life elsewhere, i like the occult view that there is only life and hence ewven rock has a certain consciousness. so the idea of whether there is life on other planets would seem erroneous from this point of view as mars is life and nothing else. that said, i think the general idea when folk speak of life elsewhere is meaning either plant, animal or higher. i would guess there is, though it seems that most planets are hostile to everything except what is on them. but i spose if you can travel 4 lightyears through space or outside of it, then you prolly know how to survive on other planets.
i once read of a chap who claimed to view "etheric" plant life on mars- not viewable to in the normal visual range. i have seen nature spirits in the past on what struck me about grass elves were that they were liitle, green and with slanty peaceful meditative eyes. i have also read of descriptions of nature spirits that live in the atmosphere that seemed very similar to ufo's. that said i don't think it's probable that all objects have this explanation. also read of trevor james constable who has filmed in ultra-violet or infra-red, can't remember which, beings and objects that cannot be readily explained.
also have read much of viktor schauberger who was forcibly involved with the nazis during the war and the americans afterwards. having read his humanitarian ideas on forestry, trees, water and nature in general, the claims of saucers and zero gravity become readily believable, though it is my guess that he purposefully messed up the expetriments because oif their intended use. wilhelm reich is another of the modern alchemists who has interesting ideas on such matters.
ultimately i believe it's possible for an awakened human to travel through hyperspace and create an etheric body exist not only anywhere in the physical dimension, i.e. any planet, but in other dimensions also, so we are in fact the perfect vessel or ship for inter-space and dimensional travel.
Disclosure Press Conference Yesterday
Interesting press conference yesterday in DC. Former military disclosing UFO interest in Nuclear facilities.
Its very interesing and they seem to be honest and genuine in their recounting of what they experienced.
I wonder though about the conclusions they have chosen to draw. I think shining a bright light into a missile silo is more like looking at what we have got rather than sending us a message to stop using nuclear warheads. It sounds to me more like they are checking out the technology.
So it could be another countries or our own military using advanced craft.
Though I have to say that I do not doubt that there is intelligent life in the universe. It is curious to me when people anthropomorphise other beings and project out human qualities onto them. If these other beings are smart enough to have craft that do what they do, then I think if they wanted to tell us to stop using nuclear weapons they would find a clear and precise way to do it. I think these particular incidents are about observation.
Fantastic find! Watched 10 mins but will finish off later. Bentwaters David!
I haven't seen the link yet, but I've seen that at least some papers cover that story on inside pages today.
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