RE: So where did we come from?
David,
yes there was a 'golden' age of science, certainly in atomic physics at the beginning of the 20th century, round about the time of Einstein's first thoughts. They 'knew' that the universe was made up of atoms, of various sizes, giving the various elements, but all being made up of a central nucleus made up of discrete lumps of matter called neutrons and protons, with a whirling cloud of electrons buzzing around the nucleus. Then their cozy world fell appart with the concept of quantum physics, where by defintion nothing is certain or determinable. Now we have the metaphysical world of 'The Field', a concept of quantum instantaneous events of infintesimal size and Universal Interconnectivity, where the concept of existance is indeterminable from the existance of conception.
The true nature of all that is, cannot be described in form and substance, but only in multi dimensional mathematics and probablities,, it is an idiot nowadays who says he knows anything as fact, however many degrees or learned papers he can put to his name.
Kim,
When scientists change their consciousness so does their understanding of the universe. New paradigms will not fit into old models.....
Amen to that, indeed, and it's the precious few who realise it.
Leonardo
RE: So where did we come from?
Hi Leo,
I suppose beginning in Victorian times science got into a course whereby they believed it might be able to 'explain everything', and this same agenda was ongoing until the 1950s, probably the 60s, and even the 70sand 80s.
That's a great post from you, and it looks now as if in scientific terms we never will 'explain everything', every jot and tittle of reality.
So science may be learning some humility.
Venetian
RE: So where did we come from?
Hello Leo,
This is what troubles me about a 'big bang' starting off the Universe. Firstly, what caused the bang, and secondly, for a bang to have occurred, there must have been a space for it to have exploded. What existed within that space?
These 50's/60's scientific views are outmoded and I am glad that new thinking is arising.
Love,
Patsy.
xxxxxx
RE: So where did we come from?
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These 50's/60's scientific views are outmoded and I am glad that new thinking is arising.
The 'new' thinking on how (or if!) things Beganis new to our science, and couched for the first time in the words or jargon of our science, but is strikingly Vedic.
The striking similarities remind me of the opening to the seminal book from the 1970s, "The Tao of Physics" in which for several pages Fritjof Capra gave quotes on how the universe works, without giving the source or who he was quoting. Half were from physicists and half were from the ancients orsacred texts. You literally couldn't tell which quote came from where till you looked it up, and moreoften than not I guessed it wrong, the views were so similar. His point was that the two agree, but if you read the whole of their texts,you don't always see the agreement as they use different terms to say precisely the same thing.That was on physics in general, quantum physics etc.
On the 'Beginning' or if there ever was one, I'm sure now one could undergo the same exercise on that: pick out the scientists' quotes that don't have the specific modern jargon in, and they'll match texts such as the Vedas.
It's interesting because I've ended up going this route on the Science forum a number of times before - and while it all seems quite logical to me ("The Vedas already said that!") one feels slightly out-of-place and as if one will be spanked ;)for posting in the wrong place. So I won't continue the thought, but thought I'd point it out.
(Vedic philosophy has it that the universe has "pralayas" - it comes forth physically, then after a looooong time it is fulfilled and becomes 'dormant'. It then doesn't have existence at the gross physical level, but still does exist at the level of its origin, and already holds the inevitable seed for its coming forth again. It's like a balloon which is blown up, reaches a maximum point, and exhales again, but the point to which it shrinks is only a 'point' physically; the 'seed' of the whole still exists 'elsewhere'. So there's a kind of rythmic Creation / Uncreation, but there's always 'Something' existing, even if not time and space as we know it.)
Venetian
RE: So where did we come from?
Maybe we did not come from anywhere, maybewe just appeared.
love and blessings
lightwinds
Wendy xxx Ama Deus