No, I was thinking of January when there was a case of exactly what Myarka is writing about ... a flying lantern ended up overnight in the garden. Or ... it was IMO disguised as a lantern. How better to infiltrate earth's air-space, unsuspected? :rolleyes:
Anyway, let's respect that believe or disbelieve, it's a serious thread.....
Actually, the phenomenon has directly, by direct contact, impacted people and their lives and health, but that's another story.
V
On Jacques Vallee, I wrote:
And also how he became interested in UFOs:
"In May 1955, Vallée first sighted an unidentified flying object over his Pontoise home. Six years later in 1961, while working on the staff of the French Space Committee, Vallée witnessed the destruction of the tracking tapes of unknown objects orbiting the earth. [My italics - V.] These events contributed to Vallée's long-standing interest in the UFO phenomenon."
But I'd been unaware, myself, that he had an early sighting, so I looked it up. From an interview:
"It was a UFO, yes, and I was helping my father. He had a workshop and was very good with woodworking and we were working on something and I heard my mother calling us from downstairs, she was in the yard doing some gardening. I rushed to the window but couldn't see anything from that side of the house. So I went down the stairs. And I saw very clearly. It was about the diameter of a full moon. It was like a silver colored cigar with a sort of bubble or dome on top, as if you put a plexiglass half sphere on top of a fuselage, it would be a good approximation of what we saw. There was absolutely no noise. It was just hovering in the sky. And the next day, I spoke to a friend of mine who was a very good physics student at the college where I was going. And I described what I had seen, he had seen the same thing from his house, which was about a mile away from where we were and he had looked at it with binoculars and had seen exactly the same thing we saw."
http://www.21stcenturyradio.com/ForbiddenScience.htm
Actually, I now just read that whole link. A very interesting interview with Vallee, a highly-intelligent and very experienced scientist. He'd just published the diary of his early adult years, "Forbidden Science" and was asked about it:
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Forbidden Science, what does this title refer to?
Dr. Jacques Vallee: Well, it refers to the fact that we are witnessing something very remarkable here. We live in an era where allegedly, science is above board, it's completely rational, it's completely open and it's looking at every possible subject. And yet, here we have evidence that when a group of scientists with the right background and the right degrees, try to study seriously certain subjects, they are ostracized by the rest of the scientific community. I think that from a sociological point of view, that's absolutely fascinating. That research on UFOs should be a forbidden science. It has all the elements where valuable research could be done. We have testimony from very serious and sincere witnesses. We have traces. We have physical elements. We have things that are well within the methodology of modern science and yet, we are not permitted to study it. Officially, we have all the power of the scientific method.
Plato: Why is it that you figure in academia where people are supposed to be searching for what is perceived to be the truth or for knowledge, why is it that it is a forbidden science there? Why is it that they would be ostracized, why do you figure that that would be the case?
Dr. Jacques Vallee: Well, to be completely fair to scientists, first this is something very disturbing. It questions a lot of things at the same time. Usually in science, you have incremental developments. You study something and you measure something and it isn't quite right so you have to incrementally build new theories to account for the new observation. Here this is a phenomenon that seem to challenge so many things at the same time that we don't know where to start. We don't even know where it belongs. In my opinion, that's not enough to refuse to study it. I think we should study it anyway. But it calls for a very different methodology.
Dr. Bob: Dr. Henry Bauer has joined us many times on 21st Century Radio to discuss his important research including his book, Scientific Literacy and the Myth of the Scientific Method. Boy, that really knocked my socks off. I had forgotten a lot of the problems in academia. I guess because it was such a long time ago for me. Throughout Forbidden Science we are introduced to what I would refer to as the prime movers in UFO research. As a student, you corresponded with Aime Michel. Tell us about the contributions of Michel and some of the struggles you faced together as you tried to have the French Government research UFO sightings.
Dr. Jacques Vallee: Well, I had written to Aime Michel when I got his book, which is really the first book that I read on the subject, his book about the European wave of 1964. Aime Michel, who by the way died recently, he died last December, had done something quite remarkable. He had said, "Well, let's not argue whether these people are actually seeing this phenomenon or not, let's assume that they do and let's look for patterns. And in that sense, he introduced for the first time, a rational approach to this subject. And I was very much struck with that. I met Aime Michel a few years later and we started verifying those patterns. And then he was always fighting against those who would say, for example, these patterns cannot exist because UFOs cannot exist and they would actually refuse to even look at them. To them, the skeptics or rationalists in France felt that there was actually no need for them to even look at the data. Because they already knew the answers. That was true even within the French Government. In the diary, you'll see day after day after day, the meetings we had with people like Professor Recaurd, who was by the way, the father of the man who recently was a Prime Minister for France and may be, at some point, President of France, Michel Recaurd. Professor Recaurd was a very eminent physicist. He was at the time, in charge of the French nuclear program. And yet, he did not have the power to convince his colleagues to allow for a small group to be funded to check on the hypothesis that Michel and I were developing.
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V
If there were any UFO's we would notice.
I mean there are 6 milliard people in Earth.
25 of them saw UFO's.
Nice statistics!
If there were any UFO's we would notice.
I mean there are 6 milliard people in Earth.
25 of them saw UFO's.
Nice statistics!
Should we bother? :p Well, oh, just once:
I and people I know well, trust and respect as scientists, have seen and "noticed". Personally seen.
There are not 6 "milliard" people "in" Earth. I think the population of Greater London is seven million? The world's population exceeded six billion some time ago, still growing for now.
In my lifetime I've personally spoken to, but usually read about, untold thousands of people who have seen UFOs.
But taking the term "UFO" at its fundamental level, as something seen, and flying, and "unidentified" because it presumably exceeded and baffled all expectations of the witnesses, polls taken in various nations come out with something in the region of several to up to 20 percent of people believing they've seen a UFO [though granted in many instances, but not all, there will be a natural explanation].
There are individual sightings which, just in that one case, have been witnessed by hundreds of people from different locations, such as the simply gigantic triangles seen and videoed by the citizens of Phoenix, Arizona over their city several years ago. I think there's a link to that in a past thread.
Oh - now I get it. These posts are just haikus! :p Unusual in the field of haikus too!
V
Putting the sceptics vs. believers thing aside, I do find these interesting...
UFOs chasing a jet?
Through a passenger jet window.
The famous UFO next to concord (now a bit grainy, but seen from another plane).
Triangle caught on radar and F16s scrambled.
Some of many filmed in space my NASA.
Smuggled film out of Nellis Air Force Base.
This is fast. Florida 2006.
????
Does anyone recall in the 70s or 80s when a local TV news team were filming in a field, and something suddenly went over them - featured on all the news that day?
V