Hi Judy,
Yup, as I said, I can relate to no 1 & 3, it's 2 that I didn't feel comfortable with, but it's only words, after all.
Sorry I misunderstood your post.
Then, once you have identified the categories of real and unreal you have to work out the difference!
Norbu
Hi Judy
You are quoting one person's concepts on reality and Norbu is quoting several people's concepts on reality. Other people could come along and quote lots of other people's concepts on reality.
They are all right from the understanding that there are incalculable levels of reality. They are all part of the oneness or universal consciousness, yet they are all different. There is no right or wrong, if something is, then it just is.
From the understanding that whatever someone conceives or creates within their consciousness, is also conceived by the universal consciousness or oneness which resides outside of time, then yes, everything that is conceived is also known within it.
There is a but here, and that is, until something is conceived by a part of the consciousness (you, me or someone else) it cannot be realised and brought forth, it simply does not exist until the moment it is created.
So yes, we can learn by those who have been before us, but if we limit our unlimited creative potential based on someone else's perceptions and stop there, then we are in danger of self denial. We are simply in danger of not allowing ourselves to grow beyond their conceptual understanding to reach our own unique understanding.
To my understanding we are all unique. There will never be another you on this planet, with the same conceptual understanding and personal creative potential which you possess. We are all brought forth with an unlimited creative potentiality, it is up to each unique individual to choose for themselves if they wish to acknowledge and make use of this or not.
There is no right or wrong, if something is, then it just is.
We will have to agree to disagree there Paul. But it's a whole different topic, more suited for the Philosophy pages.
So yes, we can learn by those who have been before us, but if we limit our unlimited creative potential based on someone else's perceptions and stop there, then we are in danger of self denial. We are simply in danger of not allowing ourselves to grow beyond their conceptual understanding to reach our own unique understanding.
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I will remember your words Paul if I ever reach the point of being able to raise the dead! 😉
I don't know why you think that learning to connect to God, the one universal divine Mind which instructs us, would somehow stop us growing and learning. Each experience I have of healing teaches me something - even the inspiration yesterday about the eternal idea of a wheel isn't something I learnt in a book. You can't see inside my head, so how can you possibly tell me (or others) how i'm thinking and growing and learning?
To me, all inventions are actually revelations, revelations of an idea in Mind that has always existed to be discovered and used. To me, this explains why, if you look back at history, similar discoveries and inventions often come at almost the same time, with people in different countries who have not communicated with each other, but with the one universal Mind.
Many musicians, like Mozart, Handel and even John Lennon have spoken about how the music comes to them - it's just there.
I love the poetical way Mary Baker Eddy puts this idea:
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CREATOR. Spirit; Mind; intelligence; the animating divine Principle of all that is real and good; self-existent Life, Truth, and Love; that which is perfect and eternal; the opposite of matter and evil, which have no Principle; (Science and Health 583)
Judy
Hi Judy
I don't look inside your head, I read the words you set down which portray who you are, your concepts and where you are coming from, the same as everyone else does.
This is why I specifically asked you
It is nice to hear what Mary Baker Eddy has to say on this subject, but outside of her understanding, what is you own personal thoughts and understanding on this??
the answer you appear to give me was that you considered that someone else's thoughts and concepts are in some way more important to give me than your own unique creative ones!
One of the worst things I find when reading books, is when people feel they have to back up their own thoughts by constantly referring to other peoples work, if I wanted to read the other books I would have bought them, I was interest in that persons conceptual ideas not a rehash of someone else's.
Anyway back to you, I see that one of your goals is to learn to raise the dead! how are you progressing, have you had any creative thoughts as to how you are going to manifest this into your reality and achieve your goal?
One of the worst things I find when reading books, is when people feel they have to back up their own thoughts by constantly referring to other peoples work, if I wanted to read the other books I would have bought them, I was interest in that persons conceptual ideas not a rehash of someone else's.
Well that's your perspective Paul and you don't have to read what I write. The fact is, that Mary Baker Eddy rediscovered the Science of Christian healing based on spiritual laws she found in the Bible. One day, this happened:
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About the year 1869, I was wired to attend the patient of a distinguished M.D., the late Dr. Davis of Manchester, N. H. The patient was pronounced dying of pneumonia, and was breathing at intervals in agony. Her physician, who stood by her bedside, declared that she could not live. On seeing her immediately restored by me without material aid, he asked earnestly if I had a work describing my system of healing. When answered in the negative, he urged me immediately to write a book which should explain to the world my curative system of metaphysics." (Miscellany p 105)
There are two main reasons that I quote directly from the Bible and the writings of MBE, rather than paraphrasing what I am learning. One is that it is always so much deeper, so much more sublime than I could manage, but mainly it's because hundreds of New Thought gurus etc have plagiarised her writings and presented them as their own (albeit in a watered-down version).
Science and Health is not just another self-help book - it's unique. I have had many experiences where just reading it has lifted me up to a higher place, up to the Christ consciousness, where I have felt and glimpsed the divine - sometimes that has been accompanied by a shining light, sometimes as a physical warmth all around me and it has always brought healing of whatever physical problem needed correcting. The book has, (along with the Bible) been my inspiration, my rock, my comforter, my guide, my friend, my teacher, my financial and occupation mentor and my physician, to name a few!
This is from memory, but I have the man's account somewhere upstairs. He was captured in Rwanda during the bloodbath there and was being taken in a truck with others from his tribe. The men were separated from the women and children and were lined up to be shot. The Christian Scientist started praying the way he had learnt in S&H, understanding the unreality of matter. Three times the men pointed their guns and pressed the triggers, but each time they jammed. They would fire them into the air and they worked, but they were unable to kill the men. Finally, the soldiers were terrified, saying this was the work of God and let them go. That group of men were just a few of the many thousands who literally owe their lives to the spiritual laws you learn in that book.
I think that account (plus many more) is in Pierre Pradervan's The Gentle Art of Blessing. He wrote about S&H in the Cygnus Review recently. He started off saying how the book is possibly unique because it is the only complete non-dual presentation of Christianity and based on the spiritual laws governing reality which we can each learn to understand. Then he explains:
Although the book is written in traditional Christian language, the concepts behind the language are universal, non denominational and even non-religious ..
He goes on to say (and this is what intrigued me) that you can learn to filter out traditional theological language and end up with a golden nugget of basic principles for the healing of the world.
The last 100 pages are accounts of people healed of all imaginable diseases simply by reading the book Is there any other book in the spiritual literature of humanity that can make such a claim?
Anyway back to you, I see that one of your goals is to learn to raise the dead! how are you progressing, have you had any creative thoughts as to how you are going to manifest this into your reality and achieve your goal?
Hee hee - that was a joke Paul! :p I have raised a dead pyracantha, but that's rather different! You wrote:
Originally Posted by Paul Crick
So yes, we can learn by those who have been before us, but if we limit our unlimited creative potential based on someone else's perceptions and stop there, then we are in danger of self denial. We are simply in danger of not allowing ourselves to grow beyond their conceptual understanding to reach our own unique understanding.
And I replied:
I will remember your words Paul if I ever reach the point of being able to raise the dead!
According to your logic, I will get stuck when I reach the limits of Jesus' and MBE's demonstrations - well, both of whom raised the dead (Jesus even raising himself) It tickled me that you felt that that would be limiting my potential to grow. 😀
Judy