Living universe

Hi Judy

No, according to my logic, if you are looking at Jesus and other healers as an example of what you are capable of doing or achieving whilst experiencing your physical existence, then through the understanding that will unfold through your studying and application, you will at some point be able to apply your own unique creative potential in a way that will allow you to move beyond the understanding of others, so you can create something new and achieve so much more.

You will then be able to pass on your understanding to help others, who will in turn learn from your experiences in this realm and again go further still etc.

So what I am trying to say to you, which I do not seem to be putting very well is, if you base your own potentiality solely on what other people had already achieved in their existences, then yes you are going to restrict your creative potentiality to the levels they managed to achieve.

How much more are you capable of achieving if you are open to the possibilities of unlimited creativity?

So what I am trying to say to you, which I do not seem to be putting very well is, if you base your own potentiality solely on what other people had already achieved in their existences, then yes you are going to restrict your creative potentiality to the levels they managed to achieve.

This is referring to Jesus, right? Not a bad goal to aim for I'd say. 🙂

Barafundle, you got it spot on – as usual! 😀

Hey Paul,

It isn’t you who is not putting it across well, it’s me, or perhaps both of us. I have obviously not explained clearly and you seem to be putting me in a box with a label, which you have already pre-decided, without actually understanding where I’m coming from.

Let’s take mathematics. Mathematics is the one metaphysical science, based on a fixed premise, which never changes, unlike the other sciences. New discoveries in mathematics never invalidate what was known before, unlike with the other sciences.

A person could decide they wanted to make all their own mathematical discoveries and never even take a simple arithmetic class. Yes, it’s possible, but unless you were a genius or could tune in to all the information that I understand is in the divine Mind, it would take several lifetimes surely to be able to reach from scratch where mathematics is today after many thousands of years of discoveries? However, if you start with the previous wealth of knowledge behind you, what a head start, but of course, none of it is any use unless you understand it and can prove it and that can take years of study.

The Science of of the Christ is not about people doing or achieving things, or about human creativity, but about letting go of our mortal thinking and uniting with the divine Mind, which brings us into the realm of spiritual reality, here and now. It's Spirit that does the work, not us, at that level. Reality is perfect and harmonious. Jesus understood this and fully demonstrated this Science, overcoming all material limitations and suffering. But even Mary Baker Eddy, who healed as no-one had for 2,000 years, used to study Science and Health with the Bible every day. She acknowledged that this understanding had come to her through revelation – she never felt that she knew it all.

At the end of Science and Health she writes, speaking of the new heaven and new earth of Revelation, “The writer's present feeble sense of Christian Science closes with St. John's Revelation as recorded by the great apostle, for his vision is the acme of this Science as the Bible reveals it.” If she, who wrote the textbook of Christian Science, could say she only had a feeble sense of it and felt she needed to study it every day, how on earth could I imagine that I don’t need to, or feel that my present understanding has even scratched the surface of what exists? There is a life-time’s learning and demonstrating ahead of me!

... according to my logic, if you are looking at Jesus and other healers as an example of what you are capable of doing or achieving whilst experiencing your physical existence, then through the understanding that will unfold through your studying and application, you will at some point be able to apply your own unique creative potential in a way that will allow you to move beyond the understanding of others, so you can create something new and achieve so much more.

You will then be able to pass on your understanding to help others, who will in turn learn from your experiences in this realm and again go further still etc.

To me, this is just what I am trying to do on HP and in my life. I pass on my understanding and my experiences (and other’s experiences) to encourage, help and inspire others and to show them the limitless possibilities! Several people have had significant healings right here on HP through reading Science and Health and it has transformed some people's lives forever.

From Mary Baker Eddy: [COLOR="Blue"]To live so as to keep human consciousness in constant relation with the divine, the spiritual, and the eternal, is to individualize infinite power; and this is Christian Science. (Miscellany 160)

From Jesus: [COLOR="Purple"]The very words I say to you are not my own. It is the Father who lives in me who carries out his work through me. Do you believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? But if you cannot, then believe me because of what you see me do. I assure you that the man who believes in me will do the same things that I have done, yes, and he will do even greater things than these, for I am going away to the Father.(John 14 Phillips NT)

Not a lot of limitations there Paul! What makes you think that I'm not open to the possibility of unlimited progress and proof through demonstration? :p

Judy

Hi Judy

When I asked you how far you had progressed with your thoughts on raising the dead, which you have quoted more than once as an example of a high level of healing ability, you replied with.

Hee hee - that was a joke Paul! :p I have raised a dead pyracantha, but that's rather different! You wrote:

Actually that was not a joke, that was a realistic question, posted from my understanding which has grown through my connection with the universal consciousness or oneness that anything is possible.

It is a subject which would require a lot of contemplation and understanding as well as assessing what the responsibilities required for such an action would be.

Personally I had to unlearn vast amounts of knowledge to get to where I am today. What I have been shown and teach is to question everything and then to validate it within myself as well as the universal consciousness.

If something dose not validate, I need to disassemble it or move around it and assess it from a different perspective until a conceptual understanding will form, which will give me the necessary insight that I require to move forward on my journey.

We are after all an integral part of the oneness. We have made a conscious choice to come here to experience separateness. The oneness expects us to stand on that choice and to think for ourselves within our separateness, as well as taking full responsibility for the things we choose to create with our thoughts in this physical reality.

At the end of the day it all comes down to consciousness. Our thoughts are energy, the same energy which manifests the physical reality, or the living universe as the thread was originally titled. It is up to us in our separateness to choose what we want to experience for ourselves.

Although the oneness is happy to help us to achieve our goals, whatever they might happen to be, it is not our servant and should not be conceived as such. At some point it expects us to take on board the concept of responsibilities, where we can choose to not only start to manifest things for ourselves, but we are also happy to take responsibility for the things that we manifest.

We are, or should be after all responsible for our own thoughts and the actions or manifestations which they create!

Oh dear Paul,

You've misunderstood again! I never thought your question was a joke - it was my answer that was. 😮

Reading your words above, your understanding of the ways things work is very different from mine, but I respect yours and I hope you will learn to respect mine. I do find on HP that there are some members who seem to feel they have to tell me that what I think is wrong and then proceed to inform me of how I should be thinking and writing. We all come from different backgrounds here and it is interesting and illuminating to catch a glimpse of other beliefs, faiths and philosophies, but we need to give everyone the space to think for themselves and make their own decisions - in my case, they are based on proof.

There are a few CS practitioners who have raised the dead, but out of wisdom, those experiences are never published. However, below is the experience of one very new student of Christian Science who raised a still born puppy. As I also quipped, I had a pyracantha shrub that was brown and lifeless for two winters - 18 months. The branches just snapped off. After shouting at it one day that it expressed divine infinite Life, not death, the next time I looked at it, it was covered with tiny green shoots and today is fat and flourishing.

This young woman below starts off by describing how she turned her back on religion but then started to study Christian Science, so long as she didn't have to use that hated word, God! The first healing she experienced was of a tumour on her dog's nose, then:

On this particular day, my other little dog started birthing her babies in my husband’s closet, a place she had selected before. So I kept checking in on things. As each one was born, she would lick it and care for it. But one of the three she left completely alone. I saw that it was not breathing. I picked up the little guy. He just fitted into one hand. And I remembered how God is Life. Life by definition must include no beginning or end. Otherwise the word would not mean Life, it would mean animated, or incremental death.

I started stroking this little puppy, and I just kept telling him over and over that God is Life. Life. Life. That Life, God, is everywhere present, including right here. Well, it was a long time, and then came the point when these thoughts came to me, “It has been way too long not to breathe. Put him down.”

But I couldn’t. There was a kind of resolve that rose up within me. No! God is Life! He’s everywhere present! That has to mean right HERE, present this very second. And the next second right now, and the next. Where is the second where death is? If God is everywhere present, there is no place for death in God, Life—by definition.

And then the puppy started to breathe. He became the fattest one of the litter. So healthy, cute, and active.

I read later how Mrs. Eddy analyzed Jesus’ works: “Knowing that Soul [she uses Soul to mean God] and its attributes were forever manifested through man, the Master healed the sick, gave sight to the blind, hearing to the deaf, feet to the lame, thus bringing to light the scientific action of the divine Mind on human minds and bodies and giving a better understanding of Soul and salvation. Jesus healed sickness and sin by one and the same metaphysical process.” I felt she had astutely expressed what had happened to me!

Because clearly I must have seen that what is true about the ongoing life of man is also true of all life. It was one of those glimpses of what I perceive as the concurrent, one and only Life, of which most of the time I seem to be so unaware. But incidents like these provide glimpses of the perspective that Jesus Christ lived in and Mrs. Eddy understood and wrote about.

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I think we've rather reached the end of this conversation now Paul - apart from the fact that it has gone rather :offtopic: and yet in others ways not! 🙂

Judy