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Anyone here into work on the astral level?

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Would that be the same as remote healing?

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The way I wake up in the morning - more shattered than when I go to bed the previous night - I am sure I do, but do not remember what I have been up to.

I don't think it is important to remember really anyway, I have offered to do the work and I do not particularly care to know about it as long as someone else is to benefit from my efforts.

Sometimes the dreams seem so real - so that may tie in somewhere.

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Hi marijke, it might be the same as a distant healing for you, as every body experiences different things on the astral, although I am led to belive.

Some people do say that they heal the living via the astral.

I was interested in what or how people deal with energies on the astral. The only 'healings' I have done on the astral are with dead people or spirits energies. Sounds weird, I am sure, but it is the only way I can explain it.

Freda, it sounds like you are working on the astral, I believe that our dreams are actually astral experiences everytime. If you can remeber any of your experiences I would be grateful to read and share.

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Hi Friends,

The Astral is not an area that is safe or recommended. There is very little positive or loving activity on this level. The Astral (or fourth dimension) is a containment area for the events and creations of humans that lack respect for free will and attempt to control others.

The common belief is that since the fourth dimension or Astral is above the third, it must be a place of more advanced development. This is not true and to actually accomplish healing or any good thing, you must connect with levels above the Astral. The fifth dimension is the level at which you can begin to work with Spirit to develop your own soul and the levels above that are available to you as your development is accomplished.

Anything that we create by our own intent, desire and efforts will be contained in the Astral. These are the “demons” that we empower and the effects that we bring about by exercising control over others. It is also the place that our soul resides if
a) we allow others to impose their control over us or
b) if we submit to therapies that are designed to allow others to do what we need to do for the progress of our soul.

By using your intent to provide healing for someone, by using your own energy to affect change in another, or by attempting to control someone else’s thoughts and behavior, you limit yourself to the fourth dimension. By asking Spirit to provide the necessary energy for another, you allow both that person and yourself to rise above the Astral.

Your free will allows you to create anything you want: spiritual guides, “Ascended Masters” to work with you, or evil spirits that inspire fear in you. All of these creations will do exactly what you create them to do, but they are not authentic expressions of Spirit and the messages you receive from them are also not authentic. If you ask them to identify themselves or to verify their own authenticity, they will tell you exactly what you want them to say.

In order to avoid the Astral there are two easy exercises at your disposal.

First, never ‘tell’ Spirit what you want; request instead that you be guided in the appropriate direction by the most suitable being. Do not make your request by name as that is the process by which you create that imitation guide.

Second, verify the authenticity of any guide by asking three times, “in divine truth,” if they are from the highest level you can reach. If they are not, they will go away. Use this same question to verify any messages you receive, or information you hear or read. Use it now to verify these words.

For your own good, please request that any work you do is above the Astral level. Working in the Astral is a voluntary restriction, self-imposed, and allowed by Spirit out of respect for your free will.

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Hi Energyatwork, Can you please elaborate further on what you mean by the following:

b) if we submit to therapies that are designed to allow others to do what we need to do for the progress of our soul.

Love and light
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“. . .if we submit to therapies that are designed to allow others to do what we need to do for the progress of our soul.”

Rosi,

Therapies such as hypnosis, psychic surgery, soul retrieval, craniosacral therapy, past-life regression, NLP, and Huna, to name only a few, are designed to bypass your natural and necessary opposition to intervention. They all put another person in the position of dictating your thinking and influencing the development of your soul.

The therapist, in each case, assumes that they have a better idea of who you should be than you do yourself, often with the best of intentions and a genuine desire to help. They give you reasons that you should agree to such manipulation. And that is a very powerful word: manipulation! The very definition gives you an idea of what is intended; that you submit to the actions of someone else in order that their intentions be carried out.

They give you the words you should use, guide your thoughts and visions and “help” you to create a new reality.

These things are totally your responsibility. Assistance that comes from outside yourself is interference. You, and you alone, are responsible for your own development and when you abandon that responsibility to someone else, you cease to grow.

This is in contrast to situations in which the words or actions of another person cause you to think about your own situation, while you remain fully cognizant of your surroundings and your decisions. When you are outside the realm of the manipulation of another you retain full control of your own development.

This is why we always recommend that everyone question everything. Accept nothing at face value. Allow it to roll around in your mind, allow the thoughts to ferment, allow yourself to look at it from every possible point of view. If it can stand up to your own genuine and sincere challenge and can still remain as truth after the exercises suggested above, you know that you have something real upon which to build!

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Dear Energy at work, thankyou for your post. You offer valuable insight and information for me.

I have always had this theory and experience that the astral is not really a very pleasant place and I am often not in control when I am there.

The work I refer to having done there is having contact with entities which do not know they are dead, this seems to be the upshot of my experience and alot of them have suicided or have been killed. but when I tell them this, that they are no longer in a human body, they still continue on, stuck as it were in their cycle. Usually denying it strongly. Although one time I was contacted by a little girl who was lost in the bush, she was a school age girl and she was wandering around, trying to attach herself to someone, anyone. There was something familar about her and I realised she was a little girl which had been missing for some months and the police had been asking the public for help. I believed she was alrerady dead when I had contact with her.

Anyway I am very interested in your ideas about the astral level and and I agree with you.
What I would like more information on, if you don't mind, is your concept on us creating what we want there. Personally I believe this to be true, but have been dissuaded over the years because of all my astral experience.

I do not offer my services on the astral and believe I hold no desire to, however I may be wrong. I am really intersted in how you said we create what we want like masters, guides, evil spirits etc.

I do not wish to be involved in the way that I am on the astral but I always seem to end up talking to 'ghosts' or already passed over dead people. I have also come against people, like murders who are caught in a repition of what they did. Any thoughts here?
Also I find that I am sought out on the astral by dead people who want to know what is wrong with them or what has happened, but they do not believe me when I tell them. I use to be very afraid of these experiences but because they happen nearly every night I have come to accept them, However I am definatley open to the idea that they are self created by me.

Also I agree with you about healing. What do you think of my theory about dreams being astral experiences?

Any thoughts you can offer would be greatly appreciateed and respected.

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Parkinson,

The creation you refer to is a reflection of your own reluctance to accept the concept of death. Those you speak to every night refuse to accept that they are dead and at some level you also refuse to accept that death exists.

This is a healthy belief, because there truly is no dying except as it applies to the human body. The body is only ours to use for a short time but our soul and its development are a forever thing. And although the belief is healthy you are still struggling with it or you would not find yourself in the Astral trying to accept your own explanations.

The understanding of eternity and our place in it is staggering. We return over and over to the question of our own worth. “Who me? Worthy of unconditional love for eternity?” We have trouble believing that we are worthy of love at all sometimes, much less that we could be a part of a never-ending concept such as Spirit is. “God loves ME? You have got to be kidding!”

And then we have to incorporate death into the picture. That’s a really scary thing for some, especially those in prominently Judeo-Christian areas who question the established teachings regarding death and the subsequent reward or punishment. There is fear of death because what if they didn’t do everything “right?” Those of us who have been steeped in Christian dogma and then break away from it still have the leftover guidelines embedded in our consciousness. Sin. Repentance. Forgiveness. Heaven. Hell.

I do not mean to offend anyone here. Your beliefs are your own, but some of us have found another answer. What if:
· it matters not what actions we take because Spirit loves us unconditionally?
· there is no need for forgiveness because Spirit loves us unconditionally?
· the experiences that we choose for ourselves on earth and our responses to them determine the quality of our lives with no after-effects to follow us into another realm?
· reward and punishment are human concepts and have no basis of truth for Spirit?
· Spirit is bigger than all we can imagine, far surpasses any limitations we impose, is made up of many facets—one of which is you, and requires nothing of you other than your attempt to also BE unconditional love on earth?

Dreams and the Astral? Far too much emphasis is placed on the meaning of dreams. Our minds are active at all times and we often don’t know what to do with those thoughts, so we create! We mix and match experiences, random thoughts, and desires. What comes out is often quite unique. Dreams~

On occasion, Spirit does use our dreams to communicate with us, but in those events there really is little doubt about what the significance is. Spirit is far too wise to wrap their messages in codes or silly stories that we have to figure out. If they want us to know something, the indication is pretty darn clear.

Why would Spirit put a snake in the bathroom and hope you get some abstruse clue? To accept that is to limit Spirit far beyond belief! If you can accept that Spirit is as close as the air you breathe and the cells in your body, it is easy to accept that life is a constant conversation with those who work closely with us!
Take a minute to listen, then respond in kind.

We do not need to travel outside our bodies to do the work we are intended to do. Instead, we need to be fully in our bodies and participating with Spirit in the expression of our true selves—and that is Love.

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Energyatwork, you have really helped me to see things clearly. I am intrigued at the idea of it all being my own creation, yet a part of me knows this to be true. I have always run the risk of delving into these areas with a voice in the back of my head telling me they are little more than distractions and are not needed for ones progression within the universe.
I have been accepting my idea that I do not need to do anything or train as anything or know any-one inparticualr for me to be able to do my lifes work. But it has been hard for me as so many people are 'something' and proclaim that it has helped them towards the path.

I have a strong feeling to do nothing, yet my ego kicks in and lumbers me with guilot for not being something or someone. Consequently I have trained in several different areas, but cannot find the fullfillment that I believe each 'title' accomplishment, would bring. This process then leaves me floundering and having no confidence in my self or abilities.
What is intutition to you, what is its place, is it just a side street or side effect of personal/spiritual work?
Energyatwork, I would value your opinion on the course in miracles, if you could spare the time I would be most appreciative.

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The reason these words resound for you, Parkinson, is that they are received from your highest guide. They should be very familiar to you. =)

The Course in Miracles has wide appeal because it gives people the feeling that they are doing “something” to advance their sense of spirituality. It teaches, step by step, how to create the distractions that you are learning to live without. The best, the easiest, way to accomplish miracles is to listen to the voice within. The guidance received there, if authenticated, is the most satisfying and warming presence that you can encounter.

Do not be concerned that you have not consciously identified your purpose in this lifetime. Your development is such that the search is part of the requirement, but not really in that sense. It is the multitude of experiences that combine to provide you with the knowledge that you seek. Your knowing is sufficient for the task at hand.

Which leads to intuition.

How to describe the sense of what you are, but equally what life has taught you to disregard. Again the courses you attend only add to the confusion you feel, this is entirely understandable. When the intuition is highly developed it can be described as a ‘bloody nuisance’ why? Well as usual the lack of self worth gets in the way and we refuse to trust the fleeting thoughts we have.
Intuition is best described as your inner knowing. Is there a secret, of course but it’s free and comprises primarily one word TRUST.

Self healing as always will strengthen the trust and begin to remove the issues of self worth that you face. It takes time but by simply asking Spirit for the energy you need for your healing will begin to resolve your dilemma. A word of caution here, any request for a particular energy or the use of a technique will place you once again in control. Acceptance of the unconditional love of Spirit in all its expressions will, we think, serve you far better: JUST ASK.

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While they are around ill ask

The realm you call the astral plain is it new stage of earth development and in you next reincarment will be common place for you are the teaches of this new realm and learn it well for it to like your realm you live in now woks on intention
For some of you here higher realms are available and in playing in them there is much healing and energy’s to experience and are there fore you to play in and they are built on love

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"The realm you call the astral plain is it new stage of earth development and in you next reincarment will be common place for you are the teaches of this new realm and learn it well for it to like your realm you live in now woks on intention
For some of you here higher realms are available and in playing in them there is much healing and energy’s to experience and are there fore you to play in and they are built on love"

Vortex,

Take a close look at that message. As it includes judgement (learn it well), limitation (for SOME of you here) and control (intention) I would question its full authenticity. There is also the implication that what happens in the next embodiment is already determined but that decision is totally up to us. We may not choose to return and if we do, our purpose is our own to outline.

Absolutely, the higher realms are available and they are built on love—moreover, they actually ARE love, totally and completely!

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Hi energy at work

Me talking here
I just typed it as I got it
I have been told by lighter energies all realms are open to every one here
And I also would not have used the used the word learned my self

But I get its point and as for me I have no interest in the astral plain and experience lots more in other places
Never astral traveled never had to if I needed to now how some one was just new
But I liked this energy and its intention

And find that even the heavier energies can teach us things if we are open to them I learnt a lot from this one to night and my thanks go out to it

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Ps the lighter energies say to me all realms are one and in every one of us

but trying to explain that is ??

love brent
and good to see you around here

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Hi Steve/Nancy,

I have never encountered anything horrendous in my sleep state as far as I can tell.

I don't remember much at all to be truthful and only one recollection that happened years ago springs to mind - was when I was helping somewhere after a terrible air crash abroad years ago. I did not physically learn of the crash until the day after my 'experience' for it happened during that night.

The rescue work I have done has always been on this plane, and I have been led to it when it has been necessary for my assistance. When I first began my development many years ago now - I offered myself in service to be used however spirit felt I could be, putting myself in their hands so to speak and, many times I wake up, as I said more tired than when I went to bed. I do not recall what I have been doing and just assumed that it was in the astral level, which I thought was the next level to this one. If as you say this is not so, and the astral is beyond the next level .... would there be work for me to do on the level beyond our own now ? Or would I possbly be helping in other areas of the spirit world ?

Apologies for being so obtuse - right now I feel as if I have a cold coming on and my head does not want to understand even the simplest of explanations. ( Fuzzy Bear today)

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Freda.

True work with the spirits of recently departed persons takes place in the fifth dimension. This is the first level above our own in which we can genuinely work with Spirit. However, if that is all we aspire to, we keep ourselves at that level, even if we have the potential to rise far above it.

Vortex is right that all levels are one, like a rainbow, and it takes all to make up the whole. But also like the rainbow, there are differences in the way that each colour is expressed and these are not just illusion.

Your soul progression may have been accomplished to the seventh level, but if you choose to remain at the fifth (or stuck in the fourth by exerting or accepting control) you will not move the soul on beyond its present level. It is our ultimate goal to be able to express violet, as such, at the highest level of development.

Communication with Spirit can take place at every level except the fourth dimension (the Astral), which is the next level to this one and is to be avoided by those who wish to progress.

By working in the fifth dimension you avoid the Astral, as you would in any case through the protection of your son, but by remaining in that level you limit the possibilities of your own continued growth. You might consider asking Spirit to show you how to move beyond your current level, but you must be ready to accept that there will be change. It takes tremendous courage to make that move.

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Hallo all,

This is my perception of the Astral Plane.

The Astral Plane is the first stop after death, it is a resting area, and we often visit it in our sleep. It is where we go to sort things out.

It is also called 'The Plane of Desire' or 'The Plane of Illusion' (like this life/reality).

The most important point is that it is the EMOTIONAL plane.

The Astral BODY gives us our emotions and feelings.

The PHYSICAL Plane - this has substance to create our phsyical bodies.

The SOUL links to the Super-concsious Mind.

The conclusion of which is, that all is ordained from a Higher Level. We are supposed to be working with the Angelic Realms, although it should be remembered that all is Free Will. Therefore the Astral/Physical/Emotional Energies all have FREEWILL.

When we meditate, we try to get rid of our conscious mind and let the subconcious, or Astral body, take over.

The Astral Plane can help in a very direct way, but there are three points to remember. It acts as a stop gap, and therefore, lingering there is both unnessessary and unwise. And, there are places on there, which are situated on the lower levels of the Astral Plane. We can go there to heal.

There are very dark places on there too, which most of us know how to avoid.

Guides from the Astral plane will love and support us but NEVER EVER tell us what to do because this interferes with Free Will. They are in fact not ALLOWED to tell us how to run our lives. You will recognise Astral guides, from those in higher dimensions, as they have a form and a face and a name.

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Gilly,

Spirit does not require that we ever enter the astral in sleeping, waking or transitional states. There is nothing there that can be of benefit to us. Because we only enter voluntarily, Spirit steps back and allows us to get on with whatever we choose to do.

That is the essence of free will. We can do whatever we want whether it furthers our progress or not. We can choose to control or be controlled, even if it results in a tremendous drop in our spirit level.

You are correct that astral guides will seem to have substance, as in a body and face. That is because we have created them and they appear in precisely the way we want them to. However, all spiritual beings have names, so that is not an adequate identification procedure.

Higher-level guides will not usually tell us what direction to take, but they can at our request. They tend to be somewhat non-specific, but can also at times be very insistent. I know of one instance when a friend was about to enter the Astral that Michael (shouted) “STOP” to prevent her from doing so. That’s pretty specific. But had she decided to do so, he would not have interfered with her choice.

Free will would be negated by preordination. You can have one or the other but not both.

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Well for me I probably would not now I was in the astral plain if I was ha ha

All l have is some thing I want answers for or to do and I get them from when I am traveling in the car on the computer well when ever
The only thing they have told me that I don’t need to go there I don’t meditate it just happens

As all I see is heavy and light energies that come to me to help
The heaver give me more practical things to living here and that’s good readings about where I am heading in life here

The light ones work on my thought patens and beliefs and they tell me things like you are having a new energy brought in to your system and thing that have no relevant to daily living but more on the spiritual and my normal reply is oh ok for it really means nothing to me but the wisdom is awesome and what thay tell of the worlds past and future
amassing

So the “so called realms to me don’t exist” for me never had

It just happens realm to me is a label for grading some thing that I feel is just what it is
A awesome mixture of energies much like us here and all have awesome things for me to experience people here and spirit

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What a cracking topic! This is, for me, HP at it's very best. I'm too intimidated by the quality of the postings to even ask a question.

Steve/Nancy - your perspective on the spiritual front disturbs my complacency. I'm having to work hard to keep up with what you're posting. I know you're involved in writing a book but do you have anything online at the moment along the lines of this thread topic? Fascinating stuff.

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Hi Keith

Glad you are enjoying the thread,
Your having trouble keeping up, well i will let you into a seceret we have been known to suffer from that as well. When this info is given we normally have no idea what the Masters are going to say, only that they have something that is to be shared. And y'know when the typing is finished we can read it a dozen times and perceive more each time. And even then we still keep going back weeks later, great fun.

Apart from the book which we have finished and we are on target to have it in print before Chrissy the only other info is on energyatwork.net. We never know when more is going to be added so its watch this space.

We will be in the UK stopping near Coalville in Leicester before too long so workshops and presentations could be a possibility, be nice to say hi.

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By working in the fifth dimension you avoid the Astral, as you would in any case through the protection of your son, but by remaining in that level you limit the possibilities of your own continued growth. You might consider asking Spirit to show you how to move beyond your current level, but you must be ready to accept that there will be change. It takes tremendous courage to make that move.

Hello Nancy and Steve,

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[quote]Your soul progression may have been accomplished to the seventh level, but if you choose to remain at the fifth (or stuck in the fourth by exerting or accepting control) you will not move the soul on beyond its present level. It is our ultimate goal to be able to express violet, as such, at the highest level of development.

Would the fact that I see - with my eyes open - an awful lot of different shades of violet/purple/lilac around me almost non stop have any bearing on the above paragraph
please ?

Also

Could you explain a little about what I could expect to change if I asked my guides etc about moving on to the level I have really progressed to ? The change doesn't bother me as long as I know what to expect. ( Sounds a bit green I know.)

What happens on the seventh level ?

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We will be in the UK stopping near Coalville in Leicester before too long so workshops and presentations could be a possibility, be nice to say hi.

Hi Steve/Nancy

This sounds promising. Coalville is an hour down the M1 from where I live in Mansfield. Unusual choice of venue for presentations but no complaints. Too much seems to happen in the far (by Britain's exhausting road system) south of England - Coalville is nicely central.

Glad it's not just me who's struggling at times - I feel that I'm on a particularly long stretch of uninspired spiritual life. But domestic issues are presently placing a high demand on our emotions.

Thanks for this note - hope we'll get to meet up. It's a long way from Kansas....

Keith

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Tongue in cheek Mac....;) You could always move down here and be in the thick of it.

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Mac, "On a particulary long stretch of uninspired spiritual life"............me too.

I learn things only to find that they are useless or not worth bothering about. I do not know what it means to be spiritual. At times I believe it is a word over-used or under understood( to me anyway).

I read all these other posts and feel like I do not understand any of lifes experiences.

Ho Hum...its just me at the moment ....sorry about that.

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Freda, Mac, and Parkinson~ and anyone else

Freda, the shades of violet that you see are the level of your son’s development. You see through his protection.

Your experiences beyond the fifth level are not yet determined. That is up to you and the way you respond to the circumstances you encounter. Be assured that the higher levels are filled with the understanding of ever more constant love. The most difficult part is deciding that you are ready to move beyond the knowing that you are currently comfortable with.

The unknown is filled with ever so much possibility but we have to make a tremendous step to trust our inner feelings in order to proceed. You can’t do that on our suggestion or anyone else’s. It must be the result of knowing that there is something else that lies ahead and that fear will no longer hold you back.

You are waiting for something, Freda. What is it? That’s not a question that you need to answer for us, but for yourself. Is it that moment when you can let go of all you currently know and can believe—as you did before—that Spirit will lead you to the place you need to be next?

Someone on another thread asked where people go to connect with Spirit. When we can realise that “going somewhere” is unnecessary, even in meditation, we have removed a barrier. Spirit is always accessible; we compartmentalise the various aspects of our lives and tuck It away for the moments we need or want to be inspired. But every thought is a communication with Spirit. Even in the desire to be more spiritual we put Spirit above us and they are not. They are right there beside you, across the table from you, a part of everything you eat, drink, or breathe. Spirit IS and you move within it.

When we can smile and know that Spirit also smiles, cry and know that it is the closeness of Spirit that allows such release, love and understand that we are expressing the purest of Spirit within us, we have reached enlightenment. That is the wholeness with Spirit that they seek.

We try to complicate it beyond all perception by adding rules, trying to interpret things that need no interpretation, and imposing our own judgement upon others and events. Accept only Love and there exists nothing else.

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Tongue in cheek Mac.... You could always move down here and be in the thick of it.

Too frenetic for me Freda - I'm not robust enough.;)

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Mac, "On a particulary long stretch of uninspired spiritual life"............me too.

I learn things only to find that they are useless or not worth bothering about. I do not know what it means to be spiritual. At times I believe it is a word over-used or under understood( to me anyway).

I read all these other posts and feel like I do not understand any of lifes experiences.

Ho Hum...its just me at the moment ....sorry about that.

No need to apologise. I find it's a cyclical thing - or has been up to now. Things sort eventually. Be positive wherever possible - use booze if that doesn't work!:D Joke but it can help.

mac

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