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Crowan
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I would have thought that if one believed in the ideas and followed strictly the laws of shamanism then there would be no room for other possible reasons for the cards information being given to be true.

What are these ‘laws of shamanism’?

Does your friend use a shamanic deck do you know ? I would be interested to see which deck they used

No, she uses Rider Waite. I know that some decks are labelled ‘shamanic’, but I have no idea what is shamanic about them. It’s just a selling point, isn’t it?


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Cascara
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One of my favourite decks is the Rider Waite Smith. But 'themed' decks can be very helpful and on occasion have a much easier interpretation than the RWS so it can be wise to choose a deck that reflects one's spiritual beliefs. Rather than having a Pope or Hierophant one might use the Shaman card or instead of Death, Rebirth etc.

There are many shamanic decks like Thoth, Shaman Tarot, Sacred Path, Ascension, The Old Path, Medicine Woman, Shapeshifter, and oracle decks which include Power Animal, Stone People, Shaman Wisdom, Shaman's Oracle, Celtic Shaman to name a few and there are many more depending on if one is based in Native American tradition, Mayan or for instance Ancient Egyptian.

Laws? Everything has 'laws' or rules, perhaps guidelines is too free or lax.


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Crowan
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There are many shamanic decks like Thoth, Shaman Tarot, Sacred Path, Ascension, The Old Path, Medicine Woman, Shapeshifter, and oracle decks which include Power Animal, Stone People, Shaman Wisdom, Shaman's Oracle, Celtic Shaman to name a few and there are many more depending on if one is based in Native American tradition, Mayan or for instance Ancient Egyptian.

I’m aware of some of these. But they aren’t really anything to do with shamanism.

Laws? Everything has 'laws' or rules, perhaps guidelines is too free or lax.

I can’t think of any rules for shamanism.

I would have thought that if one believed in the ideas and followed strictly the laws of shamanism …

Can you say what these laws are? Or was it simply an assumption?

Shamanism is an animalistic belief system. That is, everything has a spirit. The shaman communicates and negotiates with the spirits on behalf of the community and communicates and negotiates with the community on behalf of the spirits. That is simply what shamanism is. No laws, no rules.
As far as the claim to my being open minded is concerned, I believe that tarot cards have spirits. I personally would not be interested in reading tarot without being in contact with those spirits. Other people may connect with a spirit teacher or a spirit guide to help them read the cards, and that could be done through shamanism or by some other method. Some may use their intuition. There may be other methods. I don’t doubt these methods work, but they are not my method. I have no objections to other people using them.


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Cascara
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Shamanism is an animalistic belief system.

You said that before, but I thought it was just a simple mistake, but now you have once again stated that you think that shamanism is an animalistic belief system I have to add that I don't think that is right.

Shamanism is an animistic belief system surely?

Or do you follow some new branch that thinks everything follows an animal persona?

I believe that tarot cards have spirits.

Are we talking that each individual card of each deck that is printed has an individual spirit? Because many readers call on the spirit of the card as in the spirit of the High Priestess or the spirit of the Emperor etc which are more the essence and individual power of the card a bit like a power animal related to a power guide. In which case it is far better to choose a deck that reflects one's own true beliefs rather than using the 'essence; of The Hierophant or The Pope, perhaps using the power of The Shaman or The Medicine Woman might cause less conflict.

I personally would not be interested in reading tarot without being in contact with those spirits. Other people may connect with a spirit teacher or a spirit guide to help them read the cards, and that could be done through shamanism or by some other method.

That isn't really a tarot reading at all though is it. It's a spirit reading, but using tarot as a base.

Some may use their intuition. There may be other methods. I don’t doubt these methods work, but they are not my method.

It's strange how few 'tarot readers' actually bother to learn the individual cards properly, and also how to lay and then read them, most don't take the time or effort and instead use other methods spirit, or intuitive methods, guesses etc..

I have no objections to other people using them.

Lol that's that open mindedness showing through. 🙂


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Shamanism is an animalistic belief system. That is, we believe that everything has a spirit.

Hi Crowan,

At the beginning and throughout this thread, you've used the word animalistic in relation to the Shamanic belief system of everything having a spirit.

Isn't it the word animistic which defines the belief that everything has a spirit?

EDIT: Have just read the above post and noticed that Cascara has pointed out the same thing.


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