about Shamanism what I've gathered from the HP forums, but...from what I've gathered, if it doesn't work you might be told you: "still have life lessons to learn" (?right, ok).
Only if there is a way forward to learn them, and only after the immediate work – in this case soul retrieval and, possibly, extraction – has been done, and there has been improvement from that. Sometimes life-lessons have to be learned. (For example, there’s only so much doctors can do for persistent coughing if the patient/client insists on continuing to smoke.)
You could be trying different Shamanic healers for ever. But I'm only going by what I've read on HP.
Why not see what your Shaman has to say, if you decide to return and hold them accountable.
If you bought a faulty fridge from one branch of Argos - you would not take the matter up with an entirely different branch, because they would not be equipped with all of the details.
(ditto for the crystal therapist.)
I agree – go back and ask why it didn’t work and what can be done about this. However, if you bought a faulty fridge from Argos you are protected by law. Prior to those laws being passed you could have been given short shrift. There are no such laws governing shamanic practice. There is no recognised training path. There is no professional association. There is no accountability. And the likelihood is that the shamanic practitioner that Hallos went to has little training, because most shamanic practitioners don’t. You, WS, based on the little you’ve picked up here, or you, Hallos, based on your experience you described, could set up as shamanic practitioners. I know some who have, with as little experience.
By coincidence, I am teaching shamanic healing this weekend. It’s part of a three year course and the students are a year into this. I read out to them the following (giving no more details):
Ive had some shamanic healing and there was a little girl trapped in a grave type space and we cleared some fear round that and it seem to help for a while.
Their opinion was “that’s well dodgy.”
Going to a shamanic practitioner without knowing how good they are is not like buying a fridge from Argos. It’s like buying a fridge from a street trader with no guarantees.
Hi Hallos,
You have had some great replies and I am really sorry that the depression has come back with a vengeance. It is a horrific illness, it can be relentless in it's grip and the inertia and despondency it can wreak is debilitating. Motivating yourself to do anything can be difficult and challenging anyone right now is more than likely the last thing you feel like capable of.
Things that have helped me in the past have been..
- Getting a good quality vitamin B complex - there is a health food shop in Goring called Ceres which stocks one which is actually named something to do with mental health.. they will help you in the shop if you ask.
- Rescue remedy.
- The elements!! I don't know if you have a dog but if you do then get up Cissbury Ring or down by the beach, think of it as medicine, but don't beat yourself up if you don't get out and about. Failing that I have a dog you can borrow!:D Try and take each day as it comes. You have already said that you have been getting out regularly.
- The knowledge, that it will pass. It is transient even if it doesn't feel like it.
It sounds as though a large feature is the feeling of overwhelm - everything is too much, too difficult. I have an 8 month old (plus a nearly 5 year old & 8 year old. And 3 cats and a dog. So I do understand it.. my tension manifests in my occiput and neck and at the moment is gripping my head like a vice!:022:
Have you tried reiki? I know it was mentioned earlier in the posts? Do you have a good network of friends or have you shut yourself off (sometimes feels easier)?
I only live in Worthing so if you fancy a dog walk/an offload etc then PM me. We can take the babies out to the beach or something.. We could do some energy work together...
Whatever you decide, good luck and I really really hope it lifts soon x
Hollos,
Me again. If you want to return to any or all of the therapist and hold them accountable - it is up to you. The very act of saying "LOOK NUMPTY! You've not done what I paid you for - NOW WHAT!!" - could well start to make you feel better!
Shamanism, to me - IMO, from the little I've gathered on HP, seems to have many loop holes (as do many things). Second guessing as to whether or not a Shaman - your shaman has had little training or is "well dodgy" is IMO, almost irrelevant and beside the point - jumping ahead of the game ~ presumption.
Shamanism may not be protected by law but that doesn't mean that person isn't accountable for their actions, just on a personal level. If you want to go back, go back (to any or all).
How are you today, btw?
Hello all, and thankyou so much for all your replies. I am very tired today as ive started doing the night feeds after a two day break. my partner did both sat and friday night and although i did sleep i keptd waking when the baby was due a feed. baby sophia is in her own room and we have a baby monitor that listens to there breathing and will click in if she makes a noise. From the very start my partner has done a late night feed then come to bed and left the monitor by me to listen out to.....the problem ive been having is when sophia stirs....i still wake up and then i cant get back to sleep. she dosnt sleep for long periods in the day and so i dont seem to catch up with my missed sleep....then i start to worry about how i will cope looking after her when she cries and me being so tired. Alot of fear has come from her being a very unsettled baby and having reflux and crying for hours and hours....this went on for a good couple of weeks and now im left with this dread feeling she will start to cry again and i just simple cant cope.
with regards to the crystal healer and shamanic healer they are the same person and ive been going to her for years...she was my crystal tutor many years ago. I trust her 100 percent....so im not sure how i will carry on with her and she
did send me a text saying she is sorry im not feeling any better after the treatment..and other stuff.
The other problem i have at the momennt...is that i ask for advice and so many peeps offer different advice and then i have to try and filter out what feels right for me....
i have asked for some counsellng sessions via the doctor and there is like a two month waiting list but im going to drive 30miles tomorw to try and get assessed sooner...but still not sure if i will be seen quicker.
Ive had people say .....take the anti depressants as they will help and others saying they only make u cope and not get to the root cause.
Peeps say hypnotherapy can help in two sessions and others say its like a band aid.
With regards to the shamanic treatment and the little girl..i was getting it was me and i did blow into a stone my problems and then it was cleared and my chakras were smudged and cleared with some kind of water.
My partner is in the process of getting a child minder in and i worry about what that might mean to me .....will it actually help or will it push me away as a mother.
Im managing to eat and sleep and get dressed and i do try and do some house work,,,,but the house still looks a tip. My partner is working on the house at the moment and trying to build rooms in the loft.
with regards to how the depression makes me feel seems to change day by day but i do get this consent sick feeling in my stomach when i think of coping with sophia on my own and if she wakes up in the night and starts to cry and i cant stop her and everyone is alseep....i feel im very alone and i also feel desperate to not feel like i do....like im never going to get better and that i look at my partner and kids and love them so much....but being where i am at the moment is so painful........and that i wish it would just go away.
with regards to how the depression makes me feel seems to change day by day but i do get this consent sick feeling in my stomach when i think of coping with sophia on my own and if she wakes up in the night and starts to cry and i cant stop her and everyone is alseep....i feel im very alone and i also feel desperate to not feel like i do....like im never going to get better and that i look at my partner and kids and love them so much....but being where i am at the moment is so painful........and that i wish it would just go away.
Hi Hallos,
I've been reading your posts whilst you've been going through your difficulties. And for what it's worth - you seems to be doing very well to me :);).
The other problem i have at the momennt...is that i ask for advice and so many peeps offer different advice and then i have to try and filter out what feels right for me....
Here's what I'm thinking; Why not try to NOT asking for any advice:). Don't ask any one advice about anything! If you're anxious (the sick feeling in your stomach) about being able to cope when completely left alone with Sophia:
with regards to how the depression makes me feel seems to change day by day but i do get this consent sick feeling in my stomach when i think of coping with sophia on my own and if she wakes up in the night and starts to cry and i cant stop her and everyone is alseep....i feel im very alone and i also feel desperate to not feel like i do....like im never going to get better and that i look at my partner and kids and love them so much....but being where i am at the moment is so painful........and that i wish it would just go away.
... then not asking for advice would soon prov to your self that you CAN cope, and when you're pat the merely coping stage, that coping can turn to relaxation and enjoyment.
If the just the thought of not being able to turn to anyone, not asking for advice seems over whelming, you could start off with small challenges:
1) "For one hour, I will not ask for advice" - CHECK! DONE! Then after that, give yourself full permission to let loose with the advice asking - don't hold back.
2) "For one and a half hours, I will not ask for advice" - CHECK! DONE! Then again, give yourself full permission to let loose with the advice asking - don't hold back.
You could build up slowly, and notice any feeling of growing strength and trust in yourself and the more positive thoughts that may accompany those positive feeling :).
(...think of this more as a suggestion, rather than advice;) - should you decide to take i.)
Imagine a quite, secure, comfortable room - this is the image that comes to my mind when I think of filtering out confusing advice (no noisy advice coming through the windows or door). A quiet space without unwanted chatter - just you and Sophia.
All the Best.
Hi Hallos,
Just in case you haven't noticed, I've sent you a short PM. Hallos
Hi Hallos,
You have had some great replies and I am really sorry that the depression has come back with a vengeance. It is a horrific illness, it can be relentless in it's grip and the inertia and despondency it can wreak is debilitating. Motivating yourself to do anything can be difficult and challenging anyone right now is more than likely the last thing you feel like capable of.
Things that have helped me in the past have been..
- Getting a good quality vitamin B complex - there is a health food shop in Goring called Ceres which stocks one which is actually named something to do with mental health.. they will help you in the shop if you ask.
- Rescue remedy.
- The elements!! I don't know if you have a dog but if you do then get up Cissbury Ring or down by the beach, think of it as medicine, but don't beat yourself up if you don't get out and about. Failing that I have a dog you can borrow!:D Try and take each day as it comes. You have already said that you have been getting out regularly.
- The knowledge, that it will pass. It is transient even if it doesn't feel like it.
It sounds as though a large feature is the feeling of overwhelm - everything is too much, too difficult. I have an 8 month old (plus a nearly 5 year old & 8 year old. And 3 cats and a dog. So I do understand it.. my tension manifests in my occiput and neck and at the moment is gripping my head like a vice!:022:
Have you tried reiki? I know it was mentioned earlier in the posts? Do you have a good network of friends or have you shut yourself off (sometimes feels easier)?
I only live in Worthing so if you fancy a dog walk/an offload etc then PM me. We can take the babies out to the beach or something.. We could do some energy work together...
Whatever you decide, good luck and I really really hope it lifts soon x
Thankyou so much for your reply. I know the health shop well as i used to see a herbalist there and the staff in the shop do know there stuff. I have made some friends via a yoga group but i dont feel like off loading to them...they are new mums for the first time and i just feel crap telling them about my stuff...when they have lots to get on with. My partner is my friend and hes a man and dosnt really understand about how i feel and just asks me to tell him what i want to feel better. My mum has been great but shes not well and we both ended up crying together the other day which made me realise i shouldnt really off load to her either.
I guess i do need to get out and try and be social 🙂
xxx
With regards to the shamanic treatment and the little girl..i was getting it was me and i did blow into a stone my problems and then it was cleared and my chakras were smudged and cleared with some kind of water.
This is not how a soul retrieval is done. Which means that the little girl and you are still separate. Not advice just information.
Hi Crowan
Just out of curiosity, you say that Shamans do not fall under the laws of this land, I seem to remember something about the government reenacting a law that directly affects mediums and people who work by communicating with spirits, assuming that it was implemented, then would that law not affect Shamans who deal with spirits the same as a medium who deals with spirits?
Hi Crowan
Just out of curiosity, you say that Shamans do not fall under the laws of this land, I seem to remember something about the government reenacting a law that directly affects mediums and people who work by communicating with spirits, assuming that it was implemented, then would that law not affect Shamans who deal with spirits the same as a medium who deals with spirits?
Ah, I remember that law... it's the one that says that such practitioners have to make it clear that what they are doing is "for entertainment purposes only". Not sure if it ever came into effect though.
All Love and Reiki Hugs
Hi Hallos
I just want to send you some hugs. It is hard to know what to do when people offer you different advice. All I can say is rest as much as possible ( I know it is hard with a baby).Take as much help as you can. The child minder seems a good idea. Even if it is for a couple hours a day. Just so you can rest and hopefully get better.
I can understand what you are saying about whether it will help or push you away as a mother. I can understand why you are thinking and feeling like that. I totally believe going from my experience with pnd. You need to concentrate as much as you can, on getting yourself well,however you do this. Get as much help as you can with Sophia, she will be fine.When you are better, which will happen. I am sure you will be a loving caring parent. So please do not worry.
Can you get someone to do the housework. I would come and help you if I lived nearer.:)
I know it is painful and it will go away. You wont feel like this forever. Hold onto that thought.🙂
Best wishes
Sunrise
Hi Crowan
Just out of curiosity, you say that Shamans do not fall under the laws of this land, I seem to remember something about the government reenacting a law that directly affects mediums and people who work by communicating with spirits, assuming that it was implemented, then would that law not affect Shamans who deal with spirits the same as a medium who deals with spirits?
Possibly. How would you hold someone accountable? (If you look at my continuation of WS's 'buying a fridge' theme, it is still illegal to - knowingly - sell a faulty fridge as a working one. But if you buy it from a street trader, you are unlikely to get your money back.)
There are no accepted routes to learning shamanic healing. There are no professional bodies.
Hi Crowan
I do not know if that law was enacted or not, never mind the content which it would be utilised, but from what I remember, it was directed at the people who profess to work with spirits and guides etc.
Accountability would I think would need to be proven through authenticity, it would not be the person who goes for whatever they receive to prove that it was misleading or fraudulent, they would just have to claim it was a sham or something along those lines, then the practitioner would need to prove that they are what they claim to be!!!!
I do not know if that law was enacted or not, never mind the content which it would be utilised, but from what I remember, it was directed at the people who profess to work with spirits and guides etc.
Accountability would I think would need to be proven through authenticity, it would not be the person who goes for whatever they receive to prove that it was misleading or fraudulent, they would just have to claim it was a sham or something along those lines, then the practitioner would need to prove that they are what they claim to be!!!!
The Act would have meant that mediums, psychics and healers would face prosecution if they could not justify their claims. It was to protect against psychics, and others, misleading or coercing consumers.
What claims have been made? Either by the practitioner who did whatever she did, or by me?
Hi Crowan
What claims have been made? Either by the practitioner who did whatever she did, or by me?
I was not questioning what has been said or not said to this person ( I am not having a go at you or what you do), I was questioning your earlier statement in light of the law that was proposed to make mediums and others that work with spirits more legally accountable!
There are no such laws governing shamanic practice. There is no recognised training path. There is no professional association. There is no accountability.
As for:
The Act would have meant that mediums, psychics and healers would face prosecution if they could not justify their claims. It was to protect against psychics, and others, misleading or coercing consumers.
As I said I am not totally clued up on what was proposed, I think it was mainly aimed at Mediums and tarot readers who claimed that the information was coming from some spirit or other mystical source, so I suppose that if healers were to claim that their healing services was coming from some spirit or spirit guide, then they would also fall under such a law.
But there are lots of healers like myself who do not work with guides and spirits so such a law would not be relevant, I would expect healers like myself who heal from within the fullness of self to fall under the general consumer laws, and be judged upon if our healing service was fit for purpose or not, which should not be a problem for a healer who can heal.