Why do you resort to drama? I did not suggest that anyone would die of starvation in missing a meal. I thought you knew of my history of fasting (I have mentioned it on this forum enough times).
The insulin spike is surely related to what food is consumed, e.g. cereals and/or toast with marmalade/jam would probably produce this spike....I doubt that a boiled egg with a little buttered toast would do so, i.e. representing the macronutrients in balance.
You haven't read much about this, have you. Not referenced stuff, anyway.
You haven't read much about this, have you. Not referenced stuff, anyway.
I have studied human biology and nutrition extensively so I know what foods are made of and how they react in the body.
If you want my post being backed, then...
https://www.diabetesselfmanagement.com/blog/eat-more-protein-breakfast-prevent-after-meal-blood-sugar-spikes/
Hi. Im sorry about the delay Monday evenings is Welsh class. Your last post came in just as I was closing down the computer.
In the studys abstract, the researchers say: This study examined the effects of high-protein vs. high-carbohydrate breakfast meals on the metabolic and incretin responses after the breakfast and lunch meals.
Fine. And Ill leave aside the problems inherent in having only 12 subjects in such a study. They concluded: In type 2 diabetic individuals, compared with a high-carbohydrate breakfast, the consumption of a high-protein breakfast meal attenuates the postprandial glucose response and does not magnify the response to the second meal. Insulin, C-peptide, and GIP concentrations demonstrate the second-meal phenomenon and most likely aid in keeping the glucose concentrations controlled in response to the subsequent meal.
I would not disagree with any of this. Although I wonder why more protein is seen as the only alternative to high carbs. I agree that, if you are going to eat breakfast at all, then protein/fat is better than high carbohydrate. The study is talking about diagnosed type 2 diabetics, and skipping breakfast altogether has reversed diabetes in several people.
Have you come across Dr Krista Varady, from the University of Illinois? Being a diet expert, she has done several studies aimed at finding out the best treatments for people with metabolic syndrome. She has been researching the effects of fasting for over 10 years now. She has compared the different ways of fasting and has found (by studies and by reviewing previous studies) that skipping a meal, generally breakfast but in any case at either end of sleeping, so as to extend the sleeping fast, works better than either calorie reduction or the 5:2 diet style of fasting. (see also A R Barnosky et al. (2014) Intermittant fasting vs daily calorie restrictions for type 2 diabetes prevention: a review of human findings.)
Professor Jens Christiansen (Department of medicine, University of Aarhus, Denmark) monitored the blood glucose levels of thirteen adult patients with type 2 diabetes, on days of eating breakfast and on days of not eating breakfast. They all started the day in a hazardous state, with overnight fasting levels of about 7.0 mmol/l. After breakfast, this spikes to about 10.5. It comes down within 4 hours but, while spiked, doubles the chances of heart attacks and strokes. During the rest of the day blood glucose levels remain volatile, adding further risk.
On days without breakfast, blood glucose levels fell throughout the morning. On those days they ate more for lunch and dinner. At lunch there was a rise, to about 8 mmol/l far less dangerous.
Many of these studies indicate that this way of eating is not only better for those diagnosed with Diabetes but also its precursor (and precursor of heart disease, strokes, obesity etc.), Metabolic Syndrome. Symptoms include: insulin-resistance, abdominal obesity (waist measurement in men > 102cm. waist measurement in women> 88cm), blood pressure greater than 130/85 mm Hg, triglycerides greater than 1.7 mmol/l (150 mg/dl), an inflammatory state and a pro-blood-clotting state.
There are a lot of people with metabolic syndrome. Many more will get it as they age.
Hi. Im sorry about the delay Monday evenings is Welsh class. Your last post came in just as I was closing down the computer.
In the studys abstract, the researchers say: This study examined the effects of high-protein vs. high-carbohydrate breakfast meals on the metabolic and incretin responses after the breakfast and lunch meals.
Fine. And Ill leave aside the problems inherent in having only 12 subjects in such a study. They concluded: In type 2 diabetic individuals, compared with a high-carbohydrate breakfast, the consumption of a high-protein breakfast meal attenuates the postprandial glucose response and does not magnify the response to the second meal. Insulin, C-peptide, and GIP concentrations demonstrate the second-meal phenomenon and most likely aid in keeping the glucose concentrations controlled in response to the subsequent meal.
I would not disagree with any of this. Although I wonder why more protein is seen as the only alternative to high carbs. I agree that, if you are going to eat breakfast at all, then protein/fat is better than high carbohydrate. The study is talking about diagnosed type 2 diabetics, and skipping breakfast altogether has reversed diabetes in several people.
Have you come across Dr Krista Varady, from the University of Illinois? Being a diet expert, she has done several studies aimed at finding out the best treatments for people with metabolic syndrome. She has been researching the effects of fasting for over 10 years now. She has compared the different ways of fasting and has found (by studies and by reviewing previous studies) that skipping a meal, generally breakfast but in any case at either end of sleeping, so as to extend the sleeping fast, works better than either calorie reduction or the 5:2 diet style of fasting. (see also A R Barnosky et al. (2014) Intermittant fasting vs daily calorie restrictions for type 2 diabetes prevention: a review of human findings.)
Professor Jens Christiansen (Department of medicine, University of Aarhus, Denmark) monitored the blood glucose levels of thirteen adult patients with type 2 diabetes, on days of eating breakfast and on days of not eating breakfast. They all started the day in a hazardous state, with overnight fasting levels of about 7.0 mmol/l. After breakfast, this spikes to about 10.5. It comes down within 4 hours but, while spiked, doubles the chances of heart attacks and strokes. During the rest of the day blood glucose levels remain volatile, adding further risk.
On days without breakfast, blood glucose levels fell throughout the morning. On those days they ate more for lunch and dinner. At lunch there was a rise, to about 8 mmol/l far less dangerous.
Many of these studies indicate that this way of eating is not only better for those diagnosed with Diabetes but also its precursor (and precursor of heart disease, strokes, obesity etc.), Metabolic Syndrome. Symptoms include: insulin-resistance, abdominal obesity (waist measurement in men > 102cm. waist measurement in women> 88cm), blood pressure greater than 130/85 mm Hg, triglycerides greater than 1.7 mmol/l (150 mg/dl), an inflammatory state and a pro-blood-clotting state.
There are a lot of people with metabolic syndrome. Many more will get it as they age.
Ah well, context is everything i.e. when you originally mentioned avoiding breakfast because of the insulin spike you omitted to say it was about those with diabetes. I thought as much though! I tend to eat a balanced breakfast, i.e. co-starring protein (egg) so I wanted to show how eating breakfast does not have to involve this insulin spike.
Since this thread is about breakfast ideas...I recently made a delicious/tasty discovery today. I had chorizo scrambled eggs! Wonderful!
Ah well, context is everything i.e. when you originally mentioned avoiding breakfast because of the insulin spike you omitted to say it was about those with diabetes. I thought as much though! I tend to eat a balanced breakfast, i.e. co-starring protein (egg) so I wanted to show how eating breakfast does not have to involve this insulin spike.
I talked about diabetes because that was what the study you linked to was about. Eating breakfast in healthy subjects also causes an insulin spike. This, of course, is not as dangerous as in diabetics - since, if it were, they would not be healthy.
I expanded to Metabolic Syndrome because that covers 40% at least (a lot is undiagnosed) of white Americans. By the end of their lives over two thirds will have it. Mexican-Americans are in a worse state - over 75% aged 60 or over have it.
Anyone who has visceral fat - which can occur without the subject being overweight - either has it or is in danger of it.
5% of people with high blood pressure have it from an underlying disease, usually renal. The other 95% are either in imminent danger of Metabolic Syndrome or already have it.. And some 30 to 45% of Europeans and Americans have high blood pressure (although these figures might be out of date since, every now and again the 'safe limit' is changed).
Add in those who are overweight and we have a situation that has been called a pandemic. Can you say for certain that you don't fall into the danger zone?
This way of eating seems just about the best way not only to treat Metabolic Syndrome, but also to prevent it.
Since this thread is about breakfast ideas...I recently made a delicious/tasty discovery today. I had chorizo scrambled eggs! Wonderful!
Indeed, wonderful. Although, as you probably could guess, I'd have it for lunch.
every morning i stop at McDonald and get the 2 for 3 egg and a medium 1 banana shake
two eggs omelet with brown bread and a glass of juice 🙂
The healthiest way to live is to eat no breakfast at all. It's how our bodies are designed to function optimally. When you eat breakfast, which usually involves some form of carbs, an insulin secretion is triggered which leads to fat storage. Instead, by fasting in the morning and drinking only water your digestive health is aided greatly and your body will feed on your fat stores instead. You'll also avoid that mid day slump and find that once you adjust to it you're much more alert and energetic. I dropped so much body fat doing this it's incredible. Skip breakfast!
Breakfast for champions I heard was a beer! Just joking..lol.
Coffee with double cream.
I like that hehe
I like that hehe
Me too..especially the double cream...
Me too..especially the double cream...
ohh yesss! That is the best part
ohh yesss! That is the best part
Beer at a great pub after celebrating the night before..hopefully with friends! Lol