Man's cancer disappears

Fantastic story Mountaineer

If anyone tells me I have cancer that is the route I'd take - or something very similar. He's not the first one to sort it out with diet - see kcatdeejay.

Trouble is the medics don't believe you and it's not easily proven with double-blind placebo controlled testing as who wants to take a placebo when life is at stake?! Also who would fund such a trial? Big Pharma makes so much out of their cancer "cures" they certainly wouldn't entertain it 😉

Fantastic story Mountaineer

If anyone tells me I have cancer that is the route I'd take - or something very similar. He's not the first one to sort it out with diet - see kcatdeejay.

Trouble is the medics don't believe you and it's not easily proven with double-blind placebo controlled testing as who wants to take a placebo when life is at stake?! Also who would fund such a trial? Big Pharma makes so much out of their cancer "cures" they certainly wouldn't entertain it 😉

I believe it is illegal to claim to cure cancer so big pharma are not allowed to say that any more than any of us should. Someone with a diagnosis of cancer is never 'cured' they will always remain under the cancer specialist for the rest of their life.

He did have surgery and chemo to deal with the original tumour so I do think that played a part in his recovery. But the fact that the secondaries seem to have vanished is fantastic The real test will come in how long he survives. I hope its a long time.

As regards a trial - you wouldn't have a placebo arm in a trial of that sort. It would diet vs conventional treatment. The thing is there are so many elements to what he did that it is difficult to determine what helped. You would also have to totally standardise what the diet arm received and the rest of their diet in case they accidentally ate or drank something that interacted with the beneficial effects of the diet being tested.

There would be logistical problems in the organisation of the trial to put it mildly.

I'm astonished that this is still being called a wacky diet... I give up (I'm not joking)! How long has easily accessible information about healthy eating been around and relatively mainstream. - decades.

- Healthy Diet and Exercise (at the very least), before cancer even get a toe in door.... it's not rocket science :(.

It depends what is meant by healthy eating...one man's meat being another's poison (and all that).

It is very easy to say that if you were diagnosed with cancer you would not go the conventional route but I would hold fire on that statement until you do (heaven forbid).

I know many people who have a "healthy diet and exercise" who get diagnosed with cancer and some people who smoke/drink/eat a load of high sugar rubbish and never get cancer.

I also know some people who, when diagnosed, went all microbiotic diets and still died others still drank and smoked and are still alive.

I know some people who were given great prognosis and died shortly after when hit with extensive secondaries and others who's prognosis was poor and are still alive.

Cancer treatment is most definitely not an exact science whatever way you want to go in treating it.

The body has, I feel, an amazing capacity for self healing or even self destruct. I think there is more to it all than we will ever know and having read a lot about psychoneuroimmunology (PNI) we are only just beginning to learn about this amazing organism that houses us.

Hope the guy stays well.

It depends what is meant by healthy eating...one man's meat being another's poison (and all that).

It is very easy to say that if you were diagnosed with cancer you would not go the conventional route but I would hold fire on that statement until you do (heaven forbid).

I know many people who have a "healthy diet and exercise" who get diagnosed with cancer and some people who smoke/drink/eat a load of high sugar rubbish and never get cancer.

I also know some people who, when diagnosed, went all microbiotic diets and still died others still drank and smoked and are still alive.

I know some people who were given great prognosis and died shortly after when hit with extensive secondaries and others who's prognosis was poor and are still alive.

Cancer treatment is most definitely not an exact science whatever way you want to go in treating it.

The body has, I feel, an amazing capacity for self healing or even self destruct. I think there is more to it all than we will ever know and having read a lot about psychoneuroimmunology (PNI) we are only just beginning to learn about this amazing organism that houses us.

Hope the guy stays well.

Which is why I said healthy diet and exercise at the very least. Treating the body as though it were a separate entity from the mind, is a restricted view, isn't it. If the mental and emotion aspects to smoking 40 cigarettes a day, or eating 'healthy' and exercising to an unhealthy extreme, then the root causes are left untreated.

...Paul might be along shortly to explain in more detail....

The body has, I feel, an amazing capacity for self healing or even self destruct. I think there is more to it all than we will ever know and having read a lot about psychoneuroimmunology (PNI) we are only just beginning to learn about this amazing organism that houses us.

Personally, I don't look at it in the way that "we are only just beginning to learn about this amazing organism that houses us" - I'd say science/the mainstream is lagging behind by decades (centuries, if you want to widen the historical perspective). And, thankfully, there are a handful of people around who understand the workings of what we are beyond the physical organism.

Wild Strawberry...have you read much about PNI?

PNI is NOT mainstream medicine...never was, never will be..do get your facts right.

It isn't separating anything, on the contrary.

I don't really think I need Paul to explain anything to me and I find that statement quite condescending given you know nothing about me, my background, knowledge etc.

Wild Strawberry...have you read much about PNI?

No, why? Do you want to tell me how cutting edge it is? If so, I'm all ears....

Wild Strawberry...have you read much about PNI?

It isn't separating anything, on the contrary.

I don't really think I need Paul to explain anything to me and I find that statement quite condescending.

....the condescension came from yourself, not me....

You don't answer my question. Have you read much about PNI given you appear to think I have written my post that all systems are separate would lead me to believe you have grasped the wrong end of the stick.

Which is why I said healthy diet and exercise at the very least. T[COLOR="Red"]reating the body as though it were a separate entity from the mind, is a restricted view, isn't it. If the mental and emotion aspects to smoking 40 cigarettes a day, or eating 'healthy' and exercising to an unhealthy extreme, then the root causes are left untreated..

You can see from the above you don't appear to know of the concept of PNI.

Also...

What exactly is a "healthy diet" taking into consideration the biodiversity of the human population?

You don't answer my question. Have you read much about PNI given you appear to think I have written my post that all systems are separate would lead me to believe you have grasped the wrong end of the stick.

I answered your question - look again and you might see it.

Personally, I don't look at it in the way that "we are only just beginning to learn about this amazing organism that houses us" - [COLOR="Red"]I'd say science/the mainstream is lagging behind by decades (centuries, if you want to widen the historical perspective). And, thankfully, there are a handful of people around who understand the workings of what we are beyond the physical organism.

PNI is NOT mainstream. Given your statement above again leads me to believe you do not know much about PNI.

Given that we are just beginning to understand such things as the role of gut bacteria relating to disease and mental states, then yes, we are just beginning to understand that wonderful organism that is our body. Anyone who thinks they have got it all sussed is kidding themselves on.

I answered your question - look again and you might see it.

You answered at the same time I posted.

Yes, truly believe you have grasped the wrong end of the stick and won't now acknowledge this.

You can see from the above you don't appear to know of the concept of PNI.

Can you distinguish me from your view of me?

Also...

What exactly is a "healthy diet" taking into consideration the biodiversity of the human population?

Did I say that I had a definitive answer as to what was a "healthy diet". The reason, I kept my original post brief, was precisely to avoid going down long winded cul-de-sac debates, which are rehashed versions of things that have been said before...