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I guess that will always be a problem for me, orthodox medicine really has to prove nothing. If you die from their methods, they couldn't save you anyway. Whereas, those who espouse a strong conviction for natural medicine should be very wary of being too vocal. That is why my stories are always in the first person, for the most part. My facts and figures come from a 66 month journey through cancer.
kcat
Kcat,
By all means, be vocal, that is not an issue at all, and is what the forums are about. However, the moderating team and site owner have to be clear that legally people should not make claim for cure of cancer. It is not the site owner or moderators who will fall foul of members making such claims, but the members themselves if anyone in "authority" were to take it further.
Healthypages is all about discussing complementary and holistic things and how they may benefit people. That's fine. Just be sure to avoid claiming cures for all your own sakes.
All Love and Reiki Hugs
I havent read all the thread, but just want to add....
My mother has Cancer, which had spread prolifically, before her chemo started, and has now had her 11th out of 12 planned chemotherapy treatments. Yes, it's been nasty, but her positive mental outlook throughout it all has held me in awe, admiration, total respect and of course Love. She has truly shown me what strength and determination to live, she refuses to dwell on her condition, she is not in denial, just sees no point in talking about the details or being "mardy", she says she just has to get on with it. Of the people I have know to have cancer, I have never known any of them have gone through the trials my mother has.
Throught the past year she has rolled with the punches. She gets up and goes out, goes about her daily life when she can, tends her own chores, goes away in their caravan a lot, or stays in bed when she has to.
She has suffered some personal indignities with utmost integrity. Her consultant is very optimistic of a positive result, her final chemo is next Friday then she has her scan to see if its cleared. I pray it's been zapped. Of course, it has helped no end that her husband , (my father)has walked with her every inch of the way, he also has shown us what love is all about, through the devotion to his wife.
So chemo or not to chemo......the state my mother was in this time last year......I believe that the chemo, her own will to live, and the head Nurse, namely my father has kept her alive...I doubt she would still be here without any of it...
http://www.naturalnews.com/027641_mammograms_brst_cancer.html
Really interesting post of mammograms.
Really biased you mean. Interesting that the journalist mentioned that the incidence of breast cancer increased when mammogrgraphy was introduced in some countries.
That would have nothing to do do with detecting previously undetected (possibly benign) tumours then?:rolleyes:
I'm delighted the mods stepped in on this thread, quite rightly IMO.
I'm actually fairly impartial, and tend to lean towards the alternative approach for most medical conditions. However I know of one case, a personal friend, who died from breast cancer because she did not have mammograms, even though she was in the high-risk category.
I do loathe bad science and false claims though.
David:)
I was reading an article today by Pippa G. Corrie, Consultant Medical Oncologist at the University of Cambridge,et al. In it she states,"cytotoxic chemotherapy drugs damage proliferating cells....non-specificity of cytotoxic agents is a major drawback and potential damage to normal tissue means that cure with chemotherapy is not often achieved". Hmmmmm...I guess it begs the question, what is the success rate of chemotherapy? One of my best friends died a few years ago. He was diagnosed with lung cancer , but the official cause was pneumonia brought on by the metastatic lung cancer. So, I guess you can say, cancer didn't really kill him, which probably was a blessing to his wife and two children......thank goodness for humane death brought on by chemo. I've seen success figures such as 2% to 6%......I just wonder what it is?
kcat
Really biased you mean. Interesting that the journalist mentioned that the incidence of breast cancer increased when mammogrgraphy was introduced in some countries.
That would have nothing to do do with detecting previously undetected (possibly benign) tumours then?:rolleyes:
I'm delighted the mods stepped in on this thread, quite rightly IMO.
I'm actually fairly impartial, and tend to lean towards the alternative approach for most medical conditions. However I know of one case, a personal friend, who died from breast cancer because she did not have mammograms, even though she was in the high-risk category.
I do loathe bad science and false claims though.
David:)
Thank you for posting this, this is what I was trying to say.
Fudge
P.s. Everyones personal experience of cancer differs, so far my husband (prostate cancer) and my father in law (lung cancer) have not had any chemo, etc, my husband through choice and my father in law due to his heart condition, but both are doing very well. Whilst my best friend and a number of friends (breast cancer) did have chemo & radiotherapy and all are comming up to or past the five year mark and are doing very, very well.
(much cut...) everyones personal experience of cancer differs.......
Well said!
David:)
Don't know how I managed to miss this thread :confused: musta been dozing.
I was diagnosed with breast cancer 7 years ago and took everything going. I had surgery, chemo and radiotherapy and also requested oophorecetomy (due to the plethora of research I did). I also went vegan, no alcohol had loads of comp therapies (reiki, floatation tanks, reflex, massage). I am still here......WHY.......do I care......NO
I did what I thought was right at the time and I would hate that anyone would ever beat themselves up if it all went ar*e over t*ts. If it comes back I will know I did what I could for myself. If not then I will put it down to luck of the draw.
My son also had bone cancer diagnosed six month after I finished treatment again we took all options available. Chemo, surgery loads of comp therapies, diet. He is also still here, long may it continue.
I admire those who have the courage to shun allopathic medicine but when it happened I couldn't do it neither for me nor him.
I have seen posts from people who haven't had a cancer diagnosis saying the wouldn't go down the allopathic route. Whilst I would never wish such a diagnosis on anyone I would be interested in what people WOULD actually do IF it was them. I so hope they have the courage of their convictions. I know the risks involved (cardiac problems, metabolism etc)
Would it have been different had I shunned the cut/poison/burn route?..... who knows.
All I want to say is...don't be swayed by anything other than what you feel is right for you (that is after listening to the medics and doing your own research).
Patchouli
I don't know any particular person who used this, but in the book by Pat Lazarus, you can find lots of mentions of dogs that were cured of cancer by this.
This is a full on thing that your saying, is it true?
Anyone know much about Essiac? This is supposed to be beneficial to cancer patients. It is a tea made from 4 herbs and I have heard some amazing testimonials about it but have also read that the herbs are very powerful and can cause liver damage. I bought some recently to boost my immune system and it doesn't have any warnings about it in the instructions so I would love to hear more from anyone who has more info....
Peace love n good health 😉
Charlie-B, I've been taking Essiac and B-17 for quite a few years. I have no PROOF that it hasn't damaged my liver, but I do know my cancer is not doing well with it. Full batteries of blood tests have not revealed any damage to my liver and, overall, I feel pretty darn good. I lift weights and run almost every day. I'm on a 5-day schedule, but, hey, we all have our lazy moments. I'm sure if I had taken the chemo they wanted me to have, I would be feeling marvellously now. Sometime, orthodox medicine will have to come to the podium and offer THEIR proof of how there medicine is so superior to the holistic way. I say it, so it is-nothing further to be said and don't question our methods. Orthodox medicine is ordained from on high-end of story!
kcat
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phillip day - kernels
I have posted fairly recently information on Phillip Day's sites [url]CTM and CTE entry page[/url] and [url]Credence Publications[/url] where there is plenty to read on alternative therapies.
I would also add that it is probably imperative to consume an alkaline producing wholefood diet in order for the chemistry of the body to function better and support its own immune system - google 'alkaline diet' and plenty comes up. The best option is to find a BANT registered nutritional therapist to guide the patient through the process of supporting someone with the problem.
Phillip Days advise is a very dangerous man and causes loss of life. He is not medically qualified to give advice on treating people with cancer and in fact his advice is extremely dangerous and encourages people not to use NHS treatments which as caused somebody I love very dearly to loose their life. He is just a journalist and sells books. He makes his thousands by writing books that give people false hope. I have researched his 'cancer cure by kernals' and have also known 3 good friends of mine who used it themselves and they have all died, as have all the people who had cancer and used is kernals. if somebody has supposedly been cured by the kernals, then it wont actually be the kernals, there will be a medical explanation why they are still alive. Be extremely careful and think logically before you put all your hopes in Philip Day. He is just a business man.
Hi Stuart and welcome to Healthypages,
Phillip Days advise is a very dangerous man and causes loss of life. He is not medically qualified to give advice on treating people with cancer and in fact his advice is extremely dangerous and encourages people not to use NHS treatments which as caused somebody I love very dearly to loose their life. He is just a journalist and sells books. He makes his thousands by writing books that give people false hope. I have researched his 'cancer cure by kernals' and have also known 3 good friends of mine who used it themselves and they have all died, as have all the people who had cancer and used is kernals. if somebody has supposedly been cured by the kernals, then it wont actually be the kernals, there will be a medical explanation why they are still alive. Be extremely careful and think logically before you put all your hopes in Philip Day. He is just a business man.
Sorry to hear about your friends, though I have to ask... what evidence do you have that the people who survived cancer after following his advice were really 'cured' due to some other medical explanation? Isn't that just a subjective view?
Of course, people should research things before going ahead with any treatment, no doubt about that, though when it comes to things like cancer... people could certainly be hard pushed to know what is 'logical' or not.
All Love and Reiki Hugs
I have never seenhere, anymentioning of Laetrile Vitamin B17 (250mg) as a possible way of treating cancer.
From "The Art Of Shen Ku" By Zeek,
"Is found in raw (heat destroys it) apricot kernels (10 mg each), apple pips, cherry stones, millet seeds, buckwheat, plum stones, bitter almonds & some berries. It is a source of inorganic cyanide which destroysCANCER CELLSspecifically, BUT too much is dangerous (not more than 1 gram of supplement [or a few apricot kernels] at one time) (5-25 apricot kernels spread over a day are considered sufficient)"
I don't know any particular person who used this, but in the book by Pat Lazarus, you can find lots of mentions of dogs that were cured of cancer by this. The book is called [link= http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780879833886&itm=4 ]Keep Your Pet Healthy the Natural Way[/link]by Pat Lazarus ( [link= http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780879833886&itm=4 ]http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780879833886&itm=4[/link])/blockquote>
Hi
I have heard of apricot kernels, as a cure and preventative, from the book or the DVD "A World Without Cancer", many a reference to these kernels is made, but not to overdose on them.Peace and light
Peter