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amy green
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Saw that the other day on the BBC website. Stupid restrictions. What if a woman doesn't want to show off her body... she's dressed illegally... how ridiculous.


 
Posted : 18/08/2016 12:37 pm
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You might guess that I'm all for people wearing whatever they want to.

It seems particularly stupid, however, since we are all advised to cover ourselves more now that we are more aware of skin cancer. My sister, her husband and her children all wear very similar garments on the beach.


 
Posted : 18/08/2016 2:18 pm
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It's worse than I thought e.g. I didn't know this....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_law_on_secularity_and_conspicuous_religious_symbols_in_schools

That is the equivalent of banning Muslim women from their schools. I think I may be starting to understand why France has been so attacked now!


 
Posted : 18/08/2016 4:05 pm
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It's worse than I thought e.g. I didn't know this....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_law_on_secularity_and_conspicuous_religious_symbols_in_schools

That is the equivalent of banning Muslim women from their schools. I think I may be starting to understand why France has been so attacked now!

Not quite, it's bans anybody from wearing any sort of visible symbolism that is considered to show a religious affiliation.
I haven't seen Christians carrying out attacks because they can't wear crosses in schools.


 
Posted : 19/08/2016 12:34 pm
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Not quite, it's bans anybody from wearing any sort of visible symbolism that is considered to show a religious affiliation.
I haven't seen Christians carrying out attacks because they can't wear crosses in schools.

Well a visible symbolism would be a jihab wouldn't it?


 
Posted : 19/08/2016 1:08 pm
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Not quite, it's bans anybody from wearing any sort of visible symbolism that is considered to show a religious affiliation.
I haven't seen Christians carrying out attacks because they can't wear crosses in schools.

There's no evidence that Muslims are carrying out attacks because they can't wear hijab. But Amy is right, in France any clothing that marks one out as a Muslim - as the hijab does - is frowned on.
The bans of 'burkinis' on beaches is particular towns. The country-wide bans of signs of religious affiliation have mainly been in schools and, I seem to remember, in a hospital - and there have been court cases from people who wish to wear an ostentatious cross or crucifix to work in these places.
I wonder how Sikh men cope. Like Muslim women the law essentially bans a devout person from working in a school. A cross or a crucifix does not have to be on show, but a hijab or a turban does.


 
Posted : 19/08/2016 5:05 pm
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There's no evidence that Muslims are carrying out attacks because they can't wear hijab. But Amy is right, in France any clothing that marks one out as a Muslim - as the hijab does - is frowned on.
The bans of 'burkinis' on beaches is particular towns. The country-wide bans of signs of religious affiliation have mainly been in schools and, I seem to remember, in a hospital - and there have been court cases from people who wish to wear an ostentatious cross or crucifix to work in these places.
I wonder how Sikh men cope. Like Muslim women the law essentially bans a devout person from working in a school. A cross or a crucifix does not have to be on show, but a hijab or a turban does.

Of course it wouldn't be conventional Muslims that carry out attacks - it is the extremist terrorist offshoot of this (that Muslims themselves wish to dissasociate themselves from). The French laws would just inflame them and add further motive to their barbaric cause.


 
Posted : 19/08/2016 6:06 pm
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Of course it wouldn't be conventional Muslims that carry out attacks - it is the extremist terrorist offshoot of this (that Muslims themselves wish to dissasociate themselves from). The French laws would just inflame them and add further motive to their barbaric cause.

If, indeed, they need further motive.


 
Posted : 20/08/2016 10:31 pm
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If, indeed, they need further motive.

Well, I meant more justification...feeling more 'righteous' in what they do.


 
Posted : 20/08/2016 11:32 pm
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I have a better understanding now of the reasons for this French law (although I still find it outrageous), i.e. the last 3 paragraphs in this link explain why....

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/french-police-make-woman-remove-burkini-on-nice-beach/ar-BBvYoay?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

Ha...meanwhile, here in UK!....

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/hijab-approved-as-uniform-option-by-scotland-police/ar-BBvYqmP?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout


 
Posted : 24/08/2016 9:40 am
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Sorry, Amy - just realised that's the same link as you posted.


 
Posted : 24/08/2016 11:05 am
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This type of behaviour isn't going to make anything better - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/24/french-police-make-woman-remove-burkini-on-nice-beach?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=187299&subid=10823866&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2


What do you make of the final 3 paragraphs re. the explanation. It would seem that they are trying to avoid/curtail public unrest. That people cannot 'live and let live', i.e. tolerate those of different religious persuasions is abhorrent. The french have long been associated with being racists though....


 
Posted : 24/08/2016 12:19 pm
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I have a better understanding now of the reasons for this French law (although I still find it outrageous), i.e. the last 3 paragraphs in this link explain why....

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/french-police-make-woman-remove-burkini-on-nice-beach/ar-BBvYoay?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

Ha...meanwhile, here in UK!....

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/hijab-approved-as-uniform-option-by-scotland-police/ar-BBvYqmP?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

I wonder what will happen when one of these muslim woman sues the French state for giving them skin cancer by forcing them to expose their skin in the sunshine? Let's face it, if they're just there enjoying the weather with their family and not going around preaching or being overtly offensive to anyone, then they're not doing anything wrong.


 
Posted : 24/08/2016 12:26 pm
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