Well remember the main difference is that Britain is a 'free country', freedom of speech etc. Free free free - anyone can come over here to live and get freebies. They can also live to their own laws instead of ours but if we go to another country we have to abide by theirs. Who is to blame though? if you could go and do what you wanted where you wanted you would wouldn't you?
It's up to this country to sort it's self out or carry on with its give, give, give policies!
I'm sorry this is just meaningless. It sounds like something out of the Sun newspaper.
This story on orange is stated to be 'updated':
I'm not too sure what the update is ... maybe that if she apologises to the Sudanese people and all Muslims, she might be forgiven?
Holistic
The street certainly doesn't work two ways - every country has it's own culture and decides it's own rules. I think we should be a bit tighter on what we deem to be acceptable in Britain.
Sharon.
Totally agree.:045:
I'm not too sure what the update is ... maybe that if she apologises to the Sudanese people and all Muslims, she might be forgiven?
Holistic
I hope you are joking.
I have been pondering as to why this sort of thing happens and I cannot but wonder whether it has something to do with a small, insecure, war torn, 'lost' country wanting to somehow demonstrate some kind of supremacy over one of the most powerful countries in the world (which is what we are seen as, I would think.) I just remembered when that American teenager was sentenced to be lashed (?) for graffiti-ing in Singapore. Except in that case there was a lot of support in the west for his sentence being carried out. Seriously, though, when an 'impotent' country can't wage war on a global power, maybe there's there's a (possibly subconscious) need to at least punish - or threaten - one of that country's nationals.
Does anyone understand what I'm getting at?
Love
Sunanda xxx
I have been pondering as to why this sort of thing happens and I cannot but wonder whether it has something to do with a small, insecure, war torn, 'lost' country wanting to somehow demonstrate some kind of supremacy over one of the most powerful countries in the world (which is what we are seen as, I would think.) I just remembered when that American teenager was sentenced to be lashed (?) for graffiti-ing in Singapore. Except in that case there was a lot of support in the west for his sentence being carried out. Seriously, though, when an 'impotent' country can't wage war on a global power, maybe there's there's a (possibly subconscious) need to at least punish - or threaten - one of that country's nationals.
Does anyone understand what I'm getting at?
Love
Sunanda xxx
Yes you may well be right. To late for more.
I'm sorry this is just meaningless. It sounds like something out of the Sun newspaper.
No it isn't meaningless. Look at how hard it is to go to live in places like Australia, Canada etc.
As for the Sun - I wouldn't know, I don't read it.
Look at how hard it is to go to live in places like Australia, Canada etc.
I'm sorry I don't see the relevance of this statement to your views as laid out above. But do you really believe that 'anyone' can come to Britain and get 'freebies'. It's really not true, you know.
I'm sorry I don't see the relevance of this statement to your views as laid out above. But do you really believe that 'anyone' can come to Britain and get 'freebies'. It's really not true, you know.
This could turn into a debate that could go on forever as many of us have our own views on things like this. Having a conversation is okay but posting bits at a time isn't the easiest way so I'm going to leave it there and accept we have different opinions.
As it is I'm supposed to be revising at the moment! :confused:
You're quite right, treacle. It's getting late and as Bob Dylan once said, 'You're right from your side and I'm right from mine'. Good night.
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I'm not too sure what the update is ... maybe that if she apologises to the Sudanese people and all Muslims, she might be forgiven?Holistic
I hope you are joking.
Healistic, I do not joke about such matters. Did you look at the article on the Orange website to which I posted a link? I was raising a question as to how the situation and therefore the article had updated. That is all. Had you read the article, you would have seen that it had been suggested that what I quoted is one possibility that has been put forward.
I will also admit that my earlier post was an attempt to get this thread back on track, without the necessity for the *mod's hat* bit! 😉 Since then, I now see that the Australian and Canadian immigration policies have been brought into the equation in this thread, along with those of the UK! 🙁
This thread is about the imprisonment of a British schoolteacher living and working in the Sudan. I have no links at present, and it's too late to go looking for them, so I can only tell you what I saw and heard on the ITV News tonight, and BBC2's Newsnight.
The point was made, quite clearly, that this woman's 'crime' was to approve the choice of a class of schoolchildren to name a teddy bear Mohammed. Please note ... not HER choice, that of her pupils. One parent complained, and the 'proper procedures' of disciplinary action kicked in, so now she's in prison awaiting a court appearance tomorrow [today, actually].
On Newsnight, a strangely quiet Jeremy Paxman sat between the Sudanese Ambassador in the UK, and the head of a Muslim organisation also in the UK, who were discussing the situation. Did anyone else see it?
If some earlybird would care to search the BBC's website for further info, please be my guest. In the meantime, can we please keep to the topic of the thread, and not keep darting off at irrelevant tangents?
Holistic
The point was made, quite clearly, that this woman's 'crime' was to approve the choice of a class of schoolchildren to name a teddy bear Mohammed. Please note ... not HER choice, that of her pupils.
As a teacher, by approving the name it was her choice.
I will also admit that my earlier post was an attempt to get this thread back on track, without the necessity for the *mod's hat* bit! 😉 Since then, I now see that the Australian and Canadian immigration policies have been brought into the equation in this thread, along with those of the UK! 🙁
And why not? They have a bearing on the situation.
If some earlybird would care to search the BBC's website for further info, please be my guest. In the meantime, can we please keep to the topic of the thread, and not keep darting off at irrelevant tangents?
As I said above I do not agree with your comment "irrelevent tangents"
Here's the link to the latest on the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7118245.stm
and this is a quotation from that site, which I find quite pertinent in the light of one of my posts above where I raise the possibility of this being a kind of 'token gesture' against the UK (aka 'The West') by the fundamentalist Muslim clerics of Sudan.
Earlier, the Sudanese Embassy in London had said the situation was a "storm in a teacup" and signalled that the teacher could be released soon, attributing the incident to a cultural misunderstanding.
But Sudan's top clerics have called for the full measure of the law to be used against Mrs Gibbons and labelled her actions part of a Western plot against Islam.
What I find hard to understand is how anyone could consider that this teacher should be charged 'with insulting religion, inciting hatred and showing contempt for religious beliefs'. At a pinch I can get points one and three, but how on earth do they equate this with 'inciting hatred'. When it comes down to it, unfortunately, the hatred that's being incited is against the hardline clerics of Sudan and therefore logically it's them who are doing the inciting. How terribly sad to be part of that kind of thinking.
Edited to add this from today's Independent:
An influential and semi-official association of clerics, scholars, and preachers known as the Sudanese Assembly of Ulemas, who are thought to have the ear of the Sudanese government, suggested the incident was part of a broader Western "plot" against Islam that is exemplified "in the writings of renegade Salman Rushdie and the blasphemous caricatures of the Prophet Mohamed."
"What has happened was not haphazard or carried out of ignorance, but rather a calculated action and another ring in the circles plotting against Islam," the Ulemas added. "It is part of the campaign of the so-called war against terrorism and the intense media campaign against Islam".
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As so often happens, I'm with you on this, sunanda. As I pointed out yesterday, Sudan is a seriously fractured country (another way of saying seriously f*****-up!). When a country is like that, serious odd things happen.
Incidentally, I've just seen the front page of today's Telegraph - Boris Johnson: British Muslims must condemn this teddy bear business. Good idea. Except they already have.
Treacle,
I’m an immigrant … ergo your sweeping general statement would certainly include me – so do you wanna tell me how easy I’ve had it ripping this country off? :rolleyes:
Anyway,
on topic - many Sudanese Muslims are condemning this action and claim it is nothing to do with Islam or religion in general, I also (not being Muslim nor from the Sudan) cannot see what it has to do with religion, creating hatred etc etc.
Like Sunanda & Supersub, they pointedly talk about the current state of the area and offer this action as being wholly politically motivated (lets also not forget that a number of Sudanese nationals are still named as ‘wanted’ by our collective ‘powers’ for their part in the utter filth that happened in Darfur).
A political machine flexing muscles it does not have - that evidently even terrorises it’s own, let alone foreign nationals. 🙁