In the context of the discussion, I felt that 'creating your own reality' without being more specific could be seen to be not necessarily a good thing -
And here we have it .. an individual perceiving what they feel is a good thing supposed to a bad thing . This is how unique one's reality is . I have simply mentioned that one creates their own reality . What one makes from such a statement when applying it to an individual that wins the lottery or to one that experiences abuse is each to their own .
Experiencing Joy within one's self's created reality is no different from creating sufferings . The mental and emotional fields of one's mind body connection will conclude that experiencing Joy is better than experiencing pain .
What is happening though is neither better or worse than the other .
abusers create quite a powerful reality that suits them very well but is very damaging to others.
Every reality is powerful .
x daz x
There is no difference between creating joy for one’s self and creating sufferings for one’s self .
The individual/s concerned may or may not be consciously aware of why certain situations become them .
It doesn’t appear to be just or fair when a young child is abused or killed, It didn’t seem fair at the time for myself to be at the brunt end of mental and emotional sufferings by the hand of another at a particular time in my life but when one’s awareness allows one to perceive self then there is only self that is ..
Whom else is there to blame for our Individual sufferings .
One doesn’t need to be at a vantage point of an ivony tower to realize such .. just knowing self is suffice .
Evaluating joy and sufferings from an intellectual or an emotional perspective only doesn’t give a clear indication / impression of what is happening in entirety ..
but we can burn the witch nevertheless .
x daz x
The problem that I have with this perspective is that,as far as I can see, the Jimmy Savile debacle is less about individuals and more about institutional failure to protect innocents and the power of an egotistical indivdual within a corrupt institution.
It's all very well sitting with people who have had bad experiences and supporting them in coming to tems with their suffering - but institutional corruption and manipulative bullies have a production line of 'victims', and if one of those victims was my child, I would be marching up to the beginning of the production line and asking how the structures that were in place had failed my child and I would be demanding change. I would want that production line to grind to a halt.
To my way of thinking, accepting an inevitability of suffering is, in this instance, somewhat akin to sticking your head in the sand.
I thought you said everyone creates their own reality?!
That is correct . What I mean is that one would not consciously choose to experience suffering but it still happens . This is because they are unaware of what is subconsciously happening which is a key ingredient to how their self created reality manifests .
On the level of Perpatrator | Victim they are monsters!
From that perspective absolutely .
I fail to see how any of this is relevant....
My thoughts to caroline explained the oneness / sameness as you can clearly see .
Caroline wanted clarification regarding my thoughts on another post .
My point being in regards to oneness/sameness is that there is no other 'outside' / 'beyond' of what we are . So how can another be responsible for one's own sufferings .
It's just many are unaware that they are creating their individual reality . Like caroline said these children were being conned or whatever .. But the children in these instances were not aware of creating such experiences because their current level of awareness in that moment doesn't allow the bigger picture to become them .
Everything is a process . When one entertains the bigger picture they will do so .
The bigger picture in hindsight allows one to understand their individual creation ..
x daz x
The problem that I have with this perspective is that,as far as I can see, the Jimmy Savile debacle is less about individuals and more about institutional failure to protect innocents and the power of an egotistical indivdual within a corrupt institution.
It's all very well sitting with people who have had bad experiences and supporting them in coming to tems with their suffering - but institutional corruption and manipulative bullies have a production line of 'victims', and if one of those victims was my child, I would be marching up to the beginning of the production line and asking how the structures that were in place had failed my child and I would be demanding change. I would want that production line to grind to a halt.
To my way of thinking, accepting an inevitability of suffering is, in this instance, somewhat akin to sticking your head in the sand.
The thing is alison I could from a certain perspective say that the majority of world governments are failing the people in some shape or form . It seems as if the whole world is corrupt on some level . How did the world get in such a mess .
We can blame the fat cats / the banks / the presidents the prime ministers, we can blame the alignment of certain planets (lol) but within a certain state of mind none of it matters ..In a particular mind set everything matters .
That's the beauty of individuality . That the beauty of individual awareness that allows a unique perspective to be had .
As a collective we have created a worldful state . As an individual we have created our own mindful state .
x daz x
That is correct .What I mean is that one would not consciously choose to experience suffering but it still happens . This is because they are unaware of what is subconsciously happening which is a key ingredient to how their self created reality manifests .
"What I mean is that one would not consciously choose to experience suffering but it still happens"...earlier on you're saying to Caroline:
Now back into the reality where we are swayed by our senses one can ascertain that Mr Hitler is to blame for millions of deaths .
That is true from that perspective only . From another perspective one entertains going to war prior to his earthly carnation .
If one is not aware of that then one can entertain a multitude of energies that express separation .Remembering what one has created for themselves to experience is rare until one has weakened or dissolved one's fixated mind set in that what they are is daz and what you are is caroline .
Nothing happens by chance .. We are creating not only every moment in this carnation but we are planting seeds for our next .
Have then the abused "entertained being abused" in the same manner that Hitler entertained "going to war before incarnation". Presumably, if they did, then that was a conscious choice before incarnating..............?! In which case they would have consciously chosen to experience suffering.....
That is correct .What I mean is that one would not consciously choose to experience suffering but it still happens . This is because they are unaware of what is subconsciously happening which is a key ingredient to how their self created reality manifests .
The thing is alison I could from a certain perspective say that the majority of world governments are failing the people in some shape or form . It seems as if the whole world is corrupt on some level . How did the world get in such a mess .
Exactly, so why get so upperty about the government, GM foods etc - hasn't your submissive buuny dream taught you anything! Why not go and give your local MP a great big hug and explain to thank him/her for serving you so well:);)
We can blame the fat cats / the banks / the presidents the prime ministers, we can blame the alignment of certain planets (lol) but within a certain state of mind none of it matters ..In a particular mind set everything matters .
Huh, where's that coming from, darren.
(ps, don't worry mods - I won't be deviating any further Off Topic;))
The thing is alison I could from a certain perspective say that the majority of world governments are failing the people in some shape or form . It seems as if the whole world is corrupt on some level . How did the world get in such a mess .
We can blame the fat cats / the banks / the presidents the prime ministers, we can blame the alignment of certain planets (lol) but within a certain state of mind none of it matters ..In a particular mind set everything matters .
That's the beauty of individuality . That the beauty of individual awareness that allows a unique perspective to be had .
As a collective we have created a worldful state . As an individual we have created our own mindful state .
x daz x
I give up.
"What I mean is that one would not consciously choose to experience suffering but it still happens"...earlier on you're saying to Caroline:
Have then the abused "entertained being abused" in the same manner that Hitler entertained "going to war before incarnation". Presumably, if they did, then that was a conscious choice before incarnating..............?! In which case they would have consciously chosen to experience suffering.....
Is one conscious in the moment in that they have consciously chosen for another to abuse them? I would say from the reaction that is expressed from such individuals at the time and in time thereafter will reveal as such .
Consciously choosing to experience abuse prior to incarnation doesn't help the individual at the time of abuse . By the time one has become aware of what lies subconsciously within there blueprint one will not see things in the same light as to when one was unaware ..
Like I said at a point within my awareness I was no longer the victim . I have never been a victim in one respect .
x daz x
Exactly, so why get so upperty about the government, GM foods etc - hasn't your submissive buuny dream taught you anything! Why not go and give your local MP a great big hug and explain to thank him/her for serving you so well:);)
I am aware on some level that certain governing bodies are deceiving the masses . If in the moment I see that spreading the word on such matters becomes me then that is what happens . I can spread the word on how processed foods or coca cola isn't good for your health also but it doesn't mean that each individual is not somehow responsible for their own self .
Like I said I help people with healing and yet I know that they are also responsible for their own self .
So what's the problem with that? Whats your issue with that? Do you understand that an individual can relate to many aspects relating to self at the same time?
Huh, where's that coming from, darren.
It's surprising how may things one can blame for how they feel . For some it's their partners or their mothers it could even be the weather or the full moon .
x daz x
Is one conscious in the moment in that they have consciously chosen for another to abuse them? I would say from the reaction that is expressed from such individuals at the time and in time thereafter will reveal as such .
Consciously choosing to experience abuse prior to incarnation doesn't help the individual at the time of abuse . By the time one has become aware of what lies subconsciously within there blueprint one will not see things in the same light as to when one was unaware ..
Imv, I'd say it doesn't help by saying "put aside what one regards as to being a right or wrong doing/action" and "entertain the notion that one creates their own reality"
Perhaps if we put aside what one regards as to being a right or wrong doing/action .. and entertain the notion that one creates their own reality ..
I am aware on some level that certain governing bodies are deceiving the masses . If in the moment I see that spreading the word on such matters becomes me then that is what happens . I can spread the word on how processed foods or coca cola isn't good for your health also but it doesn't mean that each individual is not somehow responsible for their own self .
Like I said I help people with healing and yet I know that they are also responsible for their own self .
So what's the problem with that? Whats your issue with that? Do you understand that an individual can relate to many aspects relating to self at the same time?
No problem, no issue.. your perceptions.
It's surprising how may things one can blame for how they feel . For some it's their partners or their mothers it could even be the weather or the full moon .
Who are you talking about there?
....I've never blamed anyone or anything;):D
Imv, I'd say it doesn't help by saying "put aside what one regards as to being a right or wrong doing/action" and "entertain the notion that one creates their own reality"
You are welcome to have an opinion on what is good and what is bad helpful or not helpful as we all are .
For one individual that is suffering in this moment in time and is unaware that they creating their own reality then it is possible for that individual to trigger something within that will ease their pain or their anger and look within for answers or proof of such . Quite possibly one could feel more anger because it sounds like a load of old crap to them also .
However anyone relates to the statement that one creates their own reality is really down to each individual .
Could it be seen as helpful to burn the witch without having a clear picture of what is .
x dazzle x
No problem, no issue.. your perceptions.
I am only responding to you questioning my expression . There is obviously a need for you to do so .
Who are you talking about there?
....I've never blamed anyone or anything;):D
Generally speaking ..
x daz x
As for Nice1 comment, put down your copy of the Kindred Spirit magazine and come down from your irony tower 😡
and now back to the real world...
Hi RP,
I am pleased that you started this thread, because this is something that has been troubling me for a while.
It seems that children dont seem to have a real voice and never have had, despite the like of Childline, The Childrens Society & NSPCC.
It looks highly likely that Savile and his cronies got away with abuse because other adults turned a blind eye, even when children complained; reading about abuse in the USA, it appears that some of the big name teen stars of the 70's and 80's were also abused by those in power; then there is the news about a pedophile ring that seems to have surfaced from the Thatcher era. There is also the story of one closer to home to me in which white teenage girls were passed around and used by gangs of asian men. Even when they (and their parents) complained to the police and social services, nothing was done. In fact they said it was a 'lifestyle choice!! By 14 year old girls!! :mad::mad::mad:
I spent a couple of years doing voluntary mentoring for troubled teens, and the bosses at the organisation (social workers) were more concerned with statistics than what was actually happening with the kids. Things were never followed up, even when the kids were complaining about things. They didnt want it to look as though the systems were failing (and thus lose the kids to other agencies, and obviously any money that went with them). If I hadnt quit out of sheer frustration, I would have been kicked out, because I was forever challenging the inadaquacies, but alas never got anywhere.
I think it is about time that the government overhauled the protection of children (and vulnerable adults for that matter). Anyone found turning a blind eye should be just as culpable, and sentences should be much more severe.
Hi ST
Absolutely about the social workers and their attitude of a lifestyle choice. Passing the buck and disassociating themselves more likely. I do see this trend whether on the media or with people that I meet, that the authorities know what is going on and abuse is occurring. But for financial reasons or lack of will or whatever statistics, it seems to be more a policy of containment, until it goes too far and ends up in court.
But going back to the allegations of Jimmy Vile, I have no doubt about him taking advantage of young girls, but necrophilia! Doesn't make sense that he liked young flesh, do why dead flesh? Unless he was that perverse.
I wouldn't be surprised all the focus on JS is delibrate, so to deflect the even more horrible truth. The MI5, goverment officials, a certain PM of the 1970's and many others high up the ladder that were/are child abusers.
Best wishes
RP