All that glitters isn't necessarily gold!

Who's ever going to know for sure?

Any allegations made while he was alive were thrown out because of lack of evidence.
Everything is circumstancial evidence or one persons word from what is reported.

Like many such stories that come to light, they are often targetting famous people with money...

Is it true or not... I don't know... and don't really care. He's no longer here to defend himself and nobody will know for sure, except perhaps those involved... if they were indeed involved.

One thing we do know for sure... the media do love a good story... especially if there's no proof one way or the other.

All Love and Reiki Hugs

Well Giles, a lot has happened in the last 3 weeks! The evidence is now pretty damning. It isn't "have a go at a famous person" month.

I don't know... and don't really care

So you don't care?

He's no longer here to defend himself and nobody will know for sure, except perhaps those involved... if they were indeed involved.

So what if he isn't here to defend himself, he's bleedy lucky he isn't! Evidence is starting to know for sure!

especially if there's no proof one way or the other.

Proof is certainly starting to stack up now!

As a general comment, thinking out loud: this would of been a debated topic on Hp once, where has everyone gone :rolleyes:

I couldn't stand the man when he was alive and so even less so now.

Its a bit pointless to say the least...everyone bringing their own story on the table days after he goes...as weeks pass by more join in. The club gets bigger everyday.

Strip hin off his title, sabotage his headstone, talk about him ...and the rest of it...he don't care, he is dead!
There have been people like him before, are here now and will continue to be...so its not that it is preventing similar cases in future to happen either...

Too late for "justice" other than a hollow sense of satisfaction for alleged victims...Even if they found him guilty, will the alleged victims ever be vindicated? For he escaped right through the net, no matter what they do...they have said their piece...now find peace in their hearts. There is no possibility other than that. As they say ...or hold your peace forever...

I've been following this story with a morbid fascination - a childhood in the seventies means that Jimmy Savile was part of the weekly fabric with his primetime slot on BBC1. Ironically, we weren't allowed to watch ITV which in my family was considered downmarket and even possibly corrupt... So, in a sense, this entire debacle sees a curious collapse of a part of the moral structure of my childhood. (We were also Catholics, but let's not go there...).

In my opinion, whilst it is definitely important to hear the stories of people who were abused, so that they know that they have been given a voice - it is also important to look at how it was that so many people either turned a blind eye or were fooled completely. It is obviously to do with power games and egos. I've been reading a lot of accounts of how difficult it is to speak out when someone who has more power than you is abusing their power. You become a lone voice with everyone else distancing themselves from you.

Jimmy Savile is a big name and he cast a big net, but there are simiIar abusers at work in smaller communities across the length and breadth of this country. I think that one lesson from this might be everyone needs to look closely at themselves and when they might have turned a blind eye, to revisit their motives and then look at how they might have contributed to the poisoned substructure of our society - and then resolve to do things differently from now on.

I too never liked the man but I could never explain why - he just gave me the creeps!

However, for those who have their theories on the meaning or significance of 2012 I feel this is an example of what it means to me. Veils are being lifted, things are no longer being tolerated, changes are afoot, our conceptions are being questioned.

The 'Savile Exposure' for me serves to bring into question the whole thing about 'celebrity' and the facade it can be. Innocent victims trusted him because he was a 'celebrity', likewise people didn't believe he could possibly do such things because he was a 'celebrity' who did good works for charities.

Maybe just maybe, if there is presently someone of Savile's ilk in a position of trust/authority/power or in the celebrity limelight as he was, people in the know or 'victims' may be more forthcoming about exposing them before they are dead and gone.

Well Giles, a lot has happened in the last 3 weeks! The evidence is now pretty damning. It isn't "have a go at a famous person" month.

I don't have TV, so don't see much of the hype the media are bound to be putting on things, though I know there has been progression in the investigations based on what my work colleagues talk about. Yes, he may be guilty, but as other say.... is he going to be bothered?

So you don't care?

To be blunt... no... it's not something that needs my attention.

That's not to say that any victims shouldn't be able to voice there grief... of course they should... but how does that effect me.... yes I watched him on TV as a child, and yes I enjoyed the entertainment as a child... but that's in the past, and I don't have a personal issue with him as he did nothing to me. Seems odd that so many people are getting all up in arms about something that doesn't personally affect them... when there's so many other needs to be met in their own lives.

All Love and Reiki Hugs

Perhaps if we put aside what one regards as to being a right or wrong doing/action .. and entertain the notion that one creates their own reality ..

x daz x

Hi

The reason I started this thread is because of the power of celebratee(sp) becoming an authority and the potential abuse that can stem from that.

BBC, NHS, and various charities have been used by Jimmy Vile for his perverse interests. A lot of people have been abused, need help and closure.

This isn't really about one man, it's about the sickness hidden deep in our society. I know people that work and have worked within the NHS and social services that child abuse is only contained and little is done in many areas of the country.

As for Nice1 comment, put down your copy of the Kindred Spirit magazine and come down from your irony tower 😡

Perhaps if we put aside what one regards as to being a right or wrong doing/action .. and entertain the notion that one creates their own reality ..

What do you mean, daz? Could you expand on this....

What do you mean, daz? Could you expand on this....

There is no difference between creating joy for one’s self and creating sufferings for one’s self .

The individual/s concerned may or may not be consciously aware of why certain situations become them .

It doesn’t appear to be just or fair when a young child is abused or killed, It didn’t seem fair at the time for myself to be at the brunt end of mental and emotional sufferings by the hand of another at a particular time in my life but when one’s awareness allows one to perceive self then there is only self that is ..

Whom else is there to blame for our Individual sufferings .

One doesn’t need to be at a vantage point of an ivony tower to realize such .. just knowing self is suffice .

Evaluating joy and sufferings from an intellectual or an emotional perspective only doesn’t give a clear indication / impression of what is happening in entirety ..

but we can burn the witch nevertheless .

x daz x

There is no difference between creating joy for one’s self and creating sufferings for one’s self .

The individual/s concerned may or may not be consciously aware of why certain situations become them .

It doesn’t appear to be just or fair when a young child is abused or killed, It didn’t seem fair at the time for myself to be at the brunt end of mental and emotional sufferings by the hand of another at a particular time in my life but when one’s awareness allows one to perceive self then there is only self that is ..

Whom else is there to blame for our Individual sufferings .

In which case, the same could be said of the people [url]who are[/url]:

I would say it all deliberate . This type of food is designed to cull the population not help feed the masses .

I heard that in the U.S.A. not sure if it covers all states but it is illegal to state on the food labels that the food in question is free from G.M. products ..

Now what does that say .?? For me it speaks volumes in that the governments don't want the general public to know what it is that they are consuming ..:mad:

...allowing themselves to be "culled" ("creating their own suffering") by GM products.

Now, why is it daz, that you are suggesting here on a thread about pedophilia that we:

Perhaps if we put aside what one regards as to being a right or wrong doing/action .. and entertain the notion that one creates their own reality ..

and NOT on a GMO related thread?

In which case, the same could be said of the people [url]who are[/url]:

Absolutely .. The same applies .

Now, why is it daz, that you are suggesting here on a thread about pedophilia that we:

and NOT on a GMO related thread?

There is a multitude of perspectives to be had in every situation . From the top so to speak we are the creators of our reality and to the bottom (perhaps) where we are all acting like separated individuals and continue to fight like cats and dogs and continue to blame this and that for how one feels etc, etc ..

On one hand 'yes' all those that eat foods that will poison them are creating that reality .. on the other hand their conscious awareness doesn't contain what's happening in entirety so there will always in these instances appear to be a victim .

I don't like the wool being pulled over anyone's eyes even though on some level they are the one's that have put their own blinkers on .

Many individuals are helping others remove these blinkers because that is part of their individual reality to do so .

The one creating these blinkers is also the same one that is trying to remove them .

x daz x

Absolutely .. The same applies .

There is a multitude of perspectives to be had in every situation . From the top so to speak we are the creators of our reality and to the bottom (perhaps) where we are all acting like separated individuals and continue to fight like cats and dogs and continue to blame this and that for how one feels etc, etc ..

On one hand 'yes' all those that eat foods that will poison them are creating that reality .. on the other hand their conscious awareness doesn't contain what's happening in entirety so there will always in these instances appear to be a victim .

I don't like the wool being pulled over anyone's eyes even though on some level they are the one's that have put their own blinkers on .

Many individuals are helping others remove these blinkers because that is part of their individual reality to do so .

The one creating these blinkers is also the same one that is trying to remove them .

Your telling me nothing that I don't know myself.

And, you haven't directly answered my question.