In what way is massage a 'unique' skill!?!:confused:
There's good bakers, plumbers, florists and massage therapists. Any mumbo jumbo about 'unique':rolleyes: skills is to do with your own perception of your status and worth IMO (only my opinion mind!).
Are you not contradicting the topic of your own thread a bit here? 😀 As we have all come to agree on this topic, massage is not just about mastering the techniques and the A&P and creating a nice environment for the client. You also and more importantly need to have a great deal of sensitivity, not only in your hands and other "tools", but also in your attitude: being a good therapist requires great communications skills, even counselling skills. You also need to be comfortable in your own skin, work on yourself, your own personal growth. And not everything comes with experience, it requires a certain natural talent.
I can only hope that I'm being the best I can in all these areas. And I know, having seen many therapists for treatment myself, that there are probably more below-average therapists out there than there are good ones!
As for the £35 thing: as I have explained before in a previous post, it is not just a matter of doing a few hours of massage and then sitting back doing nothing the rest of the day, but being self-employed and running your own business involves a lot more than just doing the actual massage.
Quote by Pinky Are you not contradicting the topic of your own thread a bit here?
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I think massage should be priced by the energy used during treatment.....then us tuina practitioners would be sweet :D:D:D:D
I believe that in the next few years you will see different prices for therapies, in accordence to training and application.
This £40 per hour is a common charge across the board and quite frankly some of the therapies are just not worth it.
Its ok for everyone to jump on the bandwagon at the thought of these prices, but it won't be long before you see some of these drop to £10 or £20 per treatment.
Lets also face it that many treatments are dragged out to fill the hour so therapists can earn the money. Some of these can be done in half the time and half the cost.
Just some thoughts :p
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Forgot to say that the £35/£40 also needs to cover any holidays, sickness, and any other absence.
Totally agree though that even so, some therapists are not worth that.
Some spa's can charge up to £60 for a superficial massage, which I think is outrageous.
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Some spa's can charge up to £60 for a superficial massage, which I think is outrageous.
Ahh..haaaaa, there we have it again!
the massage is worth probably £30 but the extra £30 is all the trimmings you are paying for, which also begs the question ( again ) would we rather save the money and visit someones home based set up or pay the extra at an establishment :rolleyes:
I charge exactly what i am prepared to pay myself, and this to me seems fair enough.
If i didn't feel i was getting my money's worth then as a client.......
I WOULD NOT RETURN! :D:D:D
[COLOR="Blue"]Are you not contradicting the topic of your own thread a bit here? 😀 As we have all come to agree on this topic, massage is not just about mastering the techniques and the A&P and creating a nice environment for the client. You also and more importantly need to have a great deal of sensitivity, not only in your hands and other "tools", but also in your attitude: being a good therapist requires great communications skills, even counselling skills. You also need to be comfortable in your own skin, work on yourself, your own personal growth. And not everything comes with experience, it requires a certain natural talent.
I can only hope that I'm being the best I can in all these areas. And I know, having seen many therapists for treatment myself, that there are probably [COLOR="blue"]more below-average therapists out there than there are good ones!
As for the £35 thing: as I have explained before in a previous post, it is not just a matter of doing a few hours of massage and then sitting back doing nothing the rest of the day, but being self-employed and running your own business involves a lot more than just doing the actual massage.
No I'm not contradicting the topic of my own thread and you haven't in any way illustrated how I have done so.
UNIQUE "being without a like or equal, unmatched;unequaled; unparalleled; single in kind or excellence; sole.
Presumably there is only one 'unique' massage therapist in the whole wide world?!:p
If you think I am going to let anyone get away with calling massage a 'unique' skill you are mistaken. It is a skill practiced with varying degrees of efficiency by many therapists the world over as we have come to agree.
Ahh..haaaaa, there we have it again!
the massage is worth probably £30 but the extra £30 is all the trimmings you are paying for, which also begs the question ( again ) would we rather save the money and visit someones home based set up or pay the extra at an establishment :rolleyes:
I charge exactly what i am prepared to pay myself, and this to me seems fair enough.
If i didn't feel i was getting my money's worth then as a client.......
I WOULD NOT RETURN! :D:D:D
Anything is only worth what someone will pay for it.
If a therapist has not done an accurate costing when working out their prices, then sure as eggs they will not last long as a business. "All the trimmings" - trimmings such as marketing, book keeping, preparing of accounts and tax returns, petrol, room hire, advertising, babysitters, telephone charges, not to mention equipment... really anyone who thinks that £30 an hour will cover all that AND provide an adequate return on the training they have undergone is in cloud cuckoo land.
Yes Chris, it is all to do with costing it up and only relevant to the area you work in. In our clinic it is 60 - but we are in London. There is no "right price" for massage (or anything else). But in business you want to double up (at least) on your costs (so an investment of 10 produces 20); trebling or quadrupling up is better, because for every time you turn a profit like that there will be times you will spend money to make nothing at all. That's business, and if you don't understand it you will struggle, unless you are doing it as a hobby and you don't need to make a living out of it. The question of a return on the training is a subtly different point; it cost me (gulp) 6 or 7 grand to do my training and (gasp)ten years of my life (I'm a slow learner) so surely I should expect a return on that? But really in practice the return is that we make a living doing something we want to to do - and you can't put a price on that.
About this question of massage as a "unique" skill ; I think we are getting hung up on semantics here. It is a very personal skill and it is unique and paradoxical in many ways; a good massage therapist is personal and distant, compassionate and clinical emotionally, powerful and gentle physically. Psychiatrists and psychotherapists have legitimate difficulties with transference and countertransference but they are protected at least by the barrier of physical distance; their clients may confuse them with their parents or significant others but at least they have a desk between them! But we have to work both with the mind and the body. I am thinking of shiatsu here because that's what I do; of course if someone goes just for a backrub for stress relief then maybe they wouldn't understand what I am talking about here. For me I was drawn to bodywork because I realised it was a profession where the whole person is involved -spiritual, mental, emotional, physical - in interaction with another whole person. For me that makes it unique, though it is a sad statement on the world we live in that there are so few such complete interactions. But in another way, it isn't all unique, because there are loads of us doing massage! And also there are loads of skills which are just as deserving of respect. But this is a job and skill where the remembering and celebrating of what it is to be physically alive in this world are at the heart of what we do. That's why I love bodywork; that is why we all do. Is there another skill like that?
Well said Johnny! 🙂
Anything is only worth what someone will pay for it.
.... really anyone who thinks that £30 an hour will cover all that AND provide an adequate return on the training they have undergone is in cloud cuckoo land.
thats funny, i remember my parents used to say that to me when i was young, in them days £5 would have got you a good massage. 😀
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Well said Johnny! 🙂
here , here!!;)
Anything is only worth what someone will pay for it.
I agree with this, which is why, someone relying on my treatments to keep them in peak performance for their £20,000 per week salary is prepared to pay £90 per hour for a treatment, and someone earning £50,000 per week is prepared to pay £150 per hour to keep them playing.
If they didnt think it was worth paying, they wouldnt pay it.
----based on my income I look forward to my £2 massage.
I agree with this, which is why, someone relying on my treatments to keep them in peak performance for their £20,000 per week salary is prepared to pay £90 per hour for a treatment, and someone earning £50,000 per week is prepared to pay £150 per hour to keep them playing.
If they didnt think it was worth paying, they wouldnt pay it.
😮 that brings some light in eh!
your post sounds sport specific and that is very understandable.
What is your profession? you must be protected in title for that charge! :p
----based on my income I look forward to my £2 massage.
:D:D:D me too!
I'm a sports therapist, and specialise in myofascial release, and yes some are sports, others are dancers, actors, celebrities, that rely on being able to perform, thankfully I have built up a good reputation and get good referrals and my techniques work so they pay.
It would be nice if EVERY client paid that much, but in the real world it's £45 per hour, which people are very happy to pay.
Thankfully, I work with a few other therapists and we swap massages, which is a GREAT perk of the job!