Pervert

Yes Cola, I did wonder if someone was going to pick up on my comment on prostitution, so had this lined up especially:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_United_Kingdom

RP

Hi Cola

Quote: Non-issue, it's as good as getting stuck into the IT band with changing the energy flow.

What???? Don't get you??? Don't know if this is positive or negative comment.

RP

Just a comment.

THe energy flow can be so specifically directed, that unless you actually wanted things being energised they don't or if they do, the therapist can easily redirect the energy,

Basic Huna philosophy is Energy goes where attention goes new age version is what you resist persists

Thanks Cola I do know that, in TCM we say Qi (energy) follows Yi (thoughts) Same, Same 😉

But I don't subscribe to the silly new age saying: what you resist persists. But I think that's a good topic for a new thread.

Best wishes

RP

Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned anything, it seems it has angered some of you. As I said before, I did phone itec, but they wouldn't tell me anything without my registration number.
I thought the database would please you guys, not annoy you, and to be honest I'm not really sure why it has?

I went into massage therapy because I love making people feel relaxed, peaceful, and worry free for an hour, God knows life is hectic, so being able to transport people into a heavenly world for an hour pleases me. However, I did not go into massage therapy to be forced by pushy clients to either massage them naked or massage their bottom. We are professional massage therapists, and a professional massage therapists should not be massaging naked men, that's for the 'other' massage ladies (prostitutes/brothels/escorts).

Why do people make out that a massage wearing paints ruins the experience?!- what utter tosh! sounds very fishy to me. I have been having massage treatment for over 10 years and have never ever asked to be massages naked, or asked to take my pants off.

Why shouldn't you have said anything ? After all this is a forum for asking questions and putting forward your thoughts, people aren't angry, just not understanding why you wouldn't want to massage a part that is quite important during a routine, I massage the glutes I'm not a Lady of the Night, some might question lady lol (joking, I am female). A friend of mine always takes all her clothes off for a massage, as does a male friend of mine, it's nothing unusual. 🙂 I always say to my clients, if you are comfortable with undies on leave them on, if not take em off, nothing wrong in it 🙂

I've just spent the evening massaging glutes and thighs on my sports massage course.

Myarka.

I've just spent the evening massaging glutes and thighs on my sports massage course.
Myarka.

That's ok - as long as you were wearing a blindfold. 😀

I'm amazed this thread is still going and also somewhat amused that I could end up listed on a database somewhere as a pervert simply because I like to be naked for a massage. Or is it only men that would get labelled in this way? 😉

I'm amazed this thread is still going and also somewhat amused that I could end up listed on a database somewhere as a pervert simply because I like to be naked for a massage. Or is it only men that would get labelled in this way? 😉

Depends. If you have asthma or a wheezy chest, just try not to breathe heavily down the phone when you book a massage. 😀

This could then put ITEC in a legal situation where they have to prove their reasons for holding this information about this person is valid and also could be requested to remove this persons information at their request. There's more to the Data Protection Act and Freedom of Information Act than just making data secure and only available to a limited audience.

😉

All Love and Reiki Hugs

Yes, I agree, but if you choose to go down the 'holding one's personal data' route, the same theory would also apply to any data base holding personal details. Beauticians, hairdressers and so on.

I must say, this topic interested me so much today that I took it upon myself to do a bit of extra research on the subject. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post it here (it's of a sexual nature) but there is already a data base running holding clients details in the "other" type of massage industry. When I say already running, I'm not sure if it's legal or not but it's all there for one to see.

tuliplady,i can't believe that you inferred massaging bottoms should be left to another profession!

Did you have any views on the matter before being told by your tutor that it's a no-go area? You still seem to be under her influence despite the collective wisdom here.Or have intransigent views?

If a client asks for work on his/her hypertonic piriformis will you assume he is a pervert?

Heaven forbid if he asks if he need to keep his undercrackers on or not.

Is there a password protected online data base listing all those itec trained therapists who refuse to do glute work,with their reasons why and the name of their itec tutor?

Is this just related to male clients?

I have lost count of the number of females who have asked me to work on their bottoms,as you put it.

I treated one lady at an event who wanted me to work her glutes only for the full duration.I think I did some good work.

She was a WPC...Luckily I wasn't arrested!

Yes, I agree, but if you choose to go down the 'holding one's personal data' route, the same theory would also apply to any data base holding personal details. Beauticians, hairdressers and so on.

Yes it does which is why we should all be aware that client notes shouldn't contain anything you wouldn't want them to see.

Also presumably beauticians, hairdressers etc don't often label people as perverts. Or maybe they do?

Back to the glutes debate. How can we deal with common conditions like sciatica without working into the glutes/piriformis? And surely it's the trainer's job to teach people to do this with confidence & professionalism?
Jx

I agree Jinx, I've just been trained in Holistic Massage (ITEC/BTEC) which covered the glutes thoroughly. I STILL would like to know what VTCT thinks about a tutor at one of its accredited training institutions teaching their students that massage of the glutes is to be avoided because it gives men erections!! 😡

Tuliplady – can’t help feeling you’re focussing on the wrong thing. You’re perfectly entitled not to want to massage other people’s glutes, and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with setting your own personal boundaries – that should be part of your training - as long as you don’t believe that those who do massage the glutes are not perverted, nor are those who like having their glutes massaged. It simply means they're less narrow-minded than you :p Same for naked massage, illustrated very eloquently many times in this thread, a client who likes a massage while naked and/or a massage therapist who is fine massaging naked clients, can be entirely professional – but if it’s not your boat, then simply don’t float it. As I said before, if you're training at a professional massage training institution (and I am not convinced that you are given the misinformation provided by your tutor!), then you will be trained not to expose your client whether they wear pants or not, anyway.

I can't help wondering, based on everything you've said, whether massage is the right industry for you.

@ coolhandluke - you do make me laugh, you have a way with words! By the way, when you say you don't like having your pants on for massage, do you mean that the therapist massages your glutes through them, instead of pulling them down 😀 Never heard of such a thing!

I'm currently doing VTCT Aroma at college. Our tutor told us to never massage a man's abdomen as it's too much of a sensitive area. So, this is something that a lot of tutors are passing on to students.

One lady in the class asked if it was OK to practise the abdomen routine on a man outside of college as part of home-study. The tutor gave her a withering look & replied, "... Only if it's your husband." :confused:

Glutes aren't being taught as part of the routine but I wouldn't have imagined they would have been. The college used to teach Sports Therapy but no longer does - I guess glute work was covered there. They do Swedish but only as part of the full time complementary cert. & beauty therapy (I'm certain they wouldn't cover glutes in either). We were told that the college does frequently have to turn away men who asked for their buttocks to be massaged.

Funnily enough I was at my class last night & was chatting with one of the other students (who incidentally doesn't actually believe Aroma works). She said how she hates doing the abdomen massage because she thinks it's "weird". Her actual comment was, "Why the hell do we have to learn to massage someone's stomach? If I was going for a massage I would never dream of asking for it. I think people who want it done are just... well... a bit weird."

She then went on to say how much she like to get into Sport's Therapy :p

Another female student was bricking it when we started taking in clients as her fella would go "F****** MENTAL!" if she had to massage a man.

It boggles my mind why half of the sudents have paid a hefty sum to do this course when this is their attitude.

Yes, I agree, but if you choose to go down the 'holding one's personal data' route, the same theory would also apply to any data base holding personal details. Beauticians, hairdressers and so on.

As Jinx says, yes it does, whatever you practice.

Clients I've had provide their details and sign the paperwork which indicates clearly that the details will be held in a secure cabinet (under lock and key) and not stored electronically, and will be securely destroyed (shredded) 12 months (or whatever period is chosen) after the last treatment, subject to there being no legal reason to hold the records; and that if they have any issues or questions regarding their treatment they are responsible for discussing those with me within a reasonable time after the treatement (i.e. they can't leave it a couple of years and then claim they were mis-treated after I've destroyed the documentation).

If the details are stored on a computer (database, spreadsheet or whatever) then you get more involved in the realms of the data protection act and have to ensure that the data is stored securely and cannot be accessed by just anyone gaining access to the machine etc. which can be a minefield if you're not careful.

I know a lot of therapists who just store their clients details on a spreadsheet on their computer that isn't password protected and their computer has little protection from being accessed by external persons i.e. hackers or visitors to their home, or if the machine is stolen. They're clearly in breach of the data protection act, but seem to care little about it; though it would be a major problem for them if something were to happen to that data.

All I can say is, be careful and ensure you understand peoples rights in respect of their data. It's for your own benefit.

All Love and Reiki Hugs

I'm currently doing VTCT Aroma at college. Our tutor told us to never massage a man's abdomen as it's too much of a sensitive area. So, this is something that a lot of tutors are passing on to students.

OK, that's it. Time for action!

I've just emailed VTCT asking them if these tutors are reflecting VTCT policy. Wonder if they'll reply?