I am glad this thread is running, as it basically addresses my main worries.
Firstly, being asked to massage someone naked, secondly, being asked to do glutes massage.
My tutor told us about a new website currently being developed by ITEC, which lists "perverts" and worrying clients, you need either a itec or vtec registration number to view it (obviously to prove you're a professional therapist). I don't think it's in action yet, but the whole class were very relieved. I'm not sure if it's down to the boom in escort agencies/lap dancing classes or what ever, but there are definitely more pervs around.
My tutor said the site should be up and running next Summer!
I am glad this thread is running, as it basically addresses my main worries.
Firstly, being asked to massage someone naked, secondly, being asked to do glutes massage.
My tutor told us about a new website currently being developed by ITEC, which lists "perverts" and worrying clients, you need either a itec or vtec registration number to view it (obviously to prove you're a professional therapist). I don't think it's in action yet, but the whole class were very relieved. I'm not sure if it's down to the boom in escort agencies/lap dancing classes or what ever, but there are definitely more pervs around.
My tutor said the site should be up and running next Summer!
When you say it lists 'perverts and worrying clients', im assuming you mean their details? If this is the case then I cannot see ITEC or VTCT doing this in a million years! Can you imagine someone rings 5 therapists asking for glutes massage, and the 5 therapists in question have had some shoddy training, and dont live in the real world, and they complain to itec or vtct and they put this client on their list of perverts.....and he finds out....neither organisation would be able to afford the libel/slander compensation that they would have to pay!
Unfortunately guys, yes there are people out there, of both sexes, who may want more than a regular massage, but thats doesnt mean that everyone who asks for naked massage, or glutes or abdomen or anything else like that, is a pervert.
I had one student who refused to work on a guys abdomen because her previous (body massage) tutor had told her to avoid completely as it caused erections!! What utter tosh!
I also think that gluteal massage should be made compulsory on every massage course!
I am glad this thread is running, as it basically addresses my main worries.
Firstly, being asked to massage someone naked, secondly, being asked to do glutes massage.
My tutor told us about a new website currently being developed by ITEC, which lists "perverts" and worrying clients, you need either a itec or vtec registration number to view it (obviously to prove you're a professional therapist). I don't think it's in action yet, but the whole class were very relieved. I'm not sure if it's down to the boom in escort agencies/lap dancing classes or what ever, but there are definitely more pervs around.
My tutor said the site should be up and running next Summer!
I'd like to know just how they are getting these peoples details, as the 3 men I have had ringing always withhold their number !
Hi
I was doing a treatment swap with a colleague/friend today and she was talking about the occasional client having the occasional erection. She covers it up and gets on with the massage. She knows that its a physiological reaction and carries on the treatment in a good professional manner, especially after studying Lomi Lomi where nakedness is the norm. I said to her why do people go into massage & bodywork if they have issues with bodies? She has a FdSc in Complementary Therapies and the subject of preverts, healthy boundaries and so forth was never discussed not even on this degree level course.
As for this ITEC/VTCT website, I can't see it working for real. Nice intention, but wouldn't it be better to teach students in-class how to handle unwanted phone calls.
And I agree with ST's points about the glutes and abdomen.
RP
This is how the professionals do it without losing custom:
My tutor told us about a new website currently being developed by ITEC, which lists "perverts" and worrying clients, you need either a itec or vtec registration number to view it (obviously to prove you're a professional therapist). I don't think it's in action yet, but the whole class were very relieved. I'm not sure if it's down to the boom in escort agencies/lap dancing classes or what ever, but there are definitely more pervs around.
My tutor said the site should be up and running next Summer!
I hope they've considered the Data Protection Act and the possibility of people taking libel action against them if someone has been 'labelled' a pervert without any evidence. Just someone being called a pervert or "worrying client" because they phone up asking if the massage can be done naked, would not constitute proof and could lead ITEC into some serious legal action, if that's what they are doing.
Couple that with the Freedom of Information Act and they could be liable to having to provide a list of such people to anyone who requests it.
There's more to storing people's information than just saying you're storing it 'safely'.
All Love and Reiki Hugs
Hi
I was doing a treatment swap with a colleague/friend today and she was talking about the occasional client having the occasional erection. She covers it up and gets on with the massage. She knows that its a physiological reaction and carries on the treatment in a good professional manner, especially after studying Lomi Lomi where nakedness is the norm. I said to her why do people go into massage & bodywork if they have issues with bodies? She has a FdSc in Complementary Therapies and the subject of preverts, healthy boundaries and so forth was never discussed not even on this degree level course.
As for this ITEC/VTCT website, I can't see it working for real. Nice intention, but wouldn't it be better to [COLOR="Red"]teach students in-class how to handle unwanted phone calls.
And I agree with ST's points about the glutes and abdomen.
RP
Now Dave wouldn't it be better to teach students in class how to handle unwanted erections? :rolleyes:
Carry on with the elbow massage!:)
Hi guys,
Sorry I don't think I explained myself fully,- I was in a bit of a rush earlier.
The 'pervert' but is just what some of us would call those particular clients, obviously ITEC wouldn't have a list called 'the pervert list' as such!
My tutor explained that you need your itec or vtct registration number to log onto the database, this is to actually prove you're a professional therapist and not some "learn massage in 1 day" type therapist! once you're logged on you can access the telephone numbers of any clients who have either phoned and asked for 'extras' (as long as it wasn't a withheld no) or and this is the most important of the two,- the address and telephone no of the person who had either 1.fully undressed or 2.asked for extras whilst on the couch. I'm sure some of you are already aware how horrible it is for mobile therapists working from peoples homes when something like this happens,-imo this will be a very good security measure, after all the therapists security is very important in his day and age.
A lady on my course did ask the tutor about client confidentiality, but apparently it's provided and funded by the Government in conjunction with the two main bodies within the UK- vtvt, and itec, and was set up to protect professional massage therapists but it's not going live until the Summer.
When I phoned Itec to get a bit more information they asked for either itec or vtct reg no, when I said I hadn't had my no through yet they wouldn't give me any more information about the site. So put it this way, no registration number no information, but I'm told by my tutor it's an online database.
I started my course in September, my tutor said vtct will send my registration number thorough the post, but I am yet to receive it, I hope it comes soon. It's also inconvenient as we are supposed to list our reg no at the top of our written assignments.
Re. Glutes massage. My tutor told us to NEVER massage the glutes or abdomen of a male as this will cause him to get erections, and also said we are professional therapists and anyone asking for naked massage should be reported as they have obviously mistaken you for one of those erotic massage with happy ending type ladies and it's not fait that we professional therapists are getting mistaken for the sex industry type ladies.
I'd like to know just how they are getting these peoples details, as the 3 men I have had ringing always withhold their number !
Yes, if that's the case then there's nothing they can do, but it's more the clients that actually fully undress or ask for extras that's the problem.
Well Luke, turning off the subconscious mind and nervous impulses may not be that easy! Anycase, if you was a therapist and had an unwanted phone call of a sexual nature, how would you deal with it?
Re. Glutes massage. My tutor told us to NEVER massage the glutes or abdomen of a male as this will cause him to get erections.
Well, I think I can safely say that your tutor knows nothing about men. What complete and utter rubbish.
Re. Glutes massage. My tutor told us to NEVER massage the glutes or abdomen of a male as this will cause him to get erections, and also said we are professional therapists and anyone asking for naked massage should be reported as they have obviously mistaken you for one of those erotic massage with happy ending type ladies and it's not fait that we professional therapists are getting mistaken for the sex industry type ladies.
I agree with Richard, your tutor doesnt know what she is talking about, and its people like that who are instilling fear into trainee massage therapists!!
Yes there are unsavoury clients, but they exist in every section of society, from the people who go into shops and abuse the shop assistant because they cant have a refund, to the people who give their GP a smack because they dont like what they are being told.....its life unfortunately.
If you get calls from clients asking for unwanted services, put the phone down on them, if you think they are becoming nuisance callers, report them to the police, although I dont think asking for a naked massage warrants being called a pervert!
I wish some tutors would get their acts together and actually start teaching about this matter in a proper way, instead of scaremongering! It makes me wonder if they have actually done any massage before they went into teaching?!?!
Well Luke, turning off the subconscious mind and nervous impulses may not be that easy! Anycase, if you was a therapist and had an unwanted phone call of a sexual nature, how would you deal with it?
Depends what kind of therapist I was Dave;)
However if the call was unwanted I would tell them to go away.
See it's easy really.
Hi guys,
Re. Glutes massage. My tutor told us to NEVER massage the glutes or abdomen of a male as this will cause him to get erections, and also said we are professional therapists and anyone asking for naked massage should be reported as they have obviously mistaken you for one of those erotic massage with happy ending type ladies and it's not fait that we professional therapists are getting mistaken for the sex industry type ladies.
So who is sexualising the treatment? Not the client!
In my experience massage with pants is always pants:eek:
I want my body massaged not my pants; that's why draping was invented.
If you do a baby massage will you insist it wear a nappy?
It's appalling to label someone a pervert for asking to be naked during a massage.
It's perverted to expect a paying client to wear clothing during a massage unless the client themselves feels more comfortable that way.
But as usual it's not about the client, it's about the therapists comfort and cash.
I honestly don't know why some people train in massage, I mean you actually have to touch their body ooh yuk.
Not having a go at you specifically just some of the received (un)wisdom that gets trotted out about people.
Tuliplady - no wonder you feel that massage of the glutes is 'perverted' if this is what you are being taught by your trainer. I'd be interested to know what the VTCT official body had to say about a tutor of theirs teaching this stance! It is absolutely ridiculous.
Have just completed my Holistic Massage trainined (halfway through combined Holistic and Sports Massage course). We did massage of the glutes on the first weekend. One girl was deeply uncomfortable, and didn't return to the course after that weekend. I must say, it is one of my favourite parts of my body to have massaged now 😀