Prostate massage - it CAN be done externally, but it's more a general pelvic massage, and it is usually done as self massage above the pubic bone, like a very low abdominal massage. The same techniques are used for uterine massage, it seems to be more about loosening up the facia and surrounding muscles than working on the actual organ. Having said all that, I'd bet anyone asking for prostate massage is angling for an internal massage, again it is usually done as self massage, there are even tools available for those with less flexible hands/wrists. Requests for prostate massage, with or without draping, are going way over the boundaries most massage therapist would consider boundaries. I doubt even a very matter of fact East German massage therapist would consider it part of massage therapy.
As for how to tell if someone is after more than a massage, with or without draping, there are quite a few posts on here, two I can find quickly [url]Male Clients- urgent![/url] and [url]Abdominal Massage?[/url] NOTE the links in those threads may be broken. Easiest way I've found is not have any appointments for 48hr and get that in VERY early in the phone call - most people wanting something other than a massage want it same day, or maybe next day, if they can't have that they don't start asking all the other questions to find out what you may or may not work on. There are lots of therapists in busy clinic that can deal with a same day appointment on Monday for someone that did too much gardening over the weekend.
Prostate Massage
Hmm. I would stay well clear of any client asking for "prostate", "yoni" or "tantric" (and sometimes even "tao") massage. They are usually codes for different types of sexual massage. Also be careful of any expressed "medical" problems that involve the groin area unless it is clear that the client really does have serious issue. If he or she has such difficulties (eg a hernia) then massage is probably contra-indicated.
Proper naturist massage is non-sexual (although undoubtedly a little sensual). My experience is that it is not advertised openly and only offered by therapists to clients on an established basis of trust. That is certainly the way in which I discovered it (see below). Since then a surprising number of "conventional" therapists have indicated to me that they offer it to serious clients. However the boundaries have to be firm. That said, once you find a serious therapist who offers professional naturist therapy, you wont go back!!
Erotic naturist coffee morningparty is in sheerness kent
Looking over the numerous naturist massage posts I thought it may be worth trying to bring some themes together. The topic is obviously popular.
The following had large numbers of views:
17732 men and massage ... oh yes, and a bit about being naked!
8119 Swedish Massage and buttocks!
6735 naturist massage
5928 Tantric Massage
5847 naturist massage therapist
4414 breasts
2731 massage and nudity
1952 Naturist Massage - Comments Please
1048 naturist massage swap in lancashireThe general points seem to be that Some people like to:
1) be nicely covered or have their clients nicely covered
(if that's you then read no further)2) receive a massage without underwear
3) receive a massage with no draping
4) have their buttocks included in the massage because
those muscles are some of the largest and most powerful
and need treatment as do the others.5) have their breasts included in the massage as it is good for
drainage etc6) have their abdomen included in the massage
7) receive or give the lomi lomi style of massage that includes long
strokes to unite areas of the body and give deeper relaxation8) receive/give a massage in a truly naturist environment where the
therapist is a naturist too.There is concern that a naturist massage
9) can make it more difficult to deal with incidental arousal
which would normally be covered over and ignored10) can be requested when the client has a more sexual motive in mind
11) can be spoilt when parts of the therapist touch the client
(especially if like wet fish)I think a good way forward in this group would be for those who do not wish to be involved in naturist massage to ignore this post and leave ....
....and for the remainder of us to consider:
A) How a naturist massage differs form a draped massage in terms of routines etc
(I recently had such a massage at a naturist meeting and the therapist missed out the abomen, chest and buttocks as though I were draped and wearing big pants!)B) How significant it is for the therapist to be naturist too
c) How to adjust the environment such as temperature etc
D) How to deal with arousal (male and female)
E) Attitudes to naturist massage in other countries (any experiences)
F) How to recognise a naturist booking from a one where the client has other motives
G) How to arrange some swaps with posters/colleagues of similar outlook
Hope this provides some food for thought
jaez
we totally agree with you ,we have erotic naturist coffee mornings a new idea which has taken off ,we offer naturist massage in croydon on 07949749464 or the coffee mornings in sheerness kent on 07511749040 come have a really good relaxing different time with us .graham trish rosie & tony.
google search "EROTIC NATURIST COFFEE MORNING" this is a very different social therapy which we all need in this country ,clothes optional , race & job position irrelavant all live as one as nature intended ,from hugging to shaking hands that personal touch will never go away!!!!
Follow Up
I thought I should mention that I received a large number of requests for the identity of the naturist therapist/s I mentioned in my last post. The therapists themselves do not want their names given out but tend only to agree to give such treatment on the basis of established trust with the client
There are however a number of genuine therapists who advertise on Gumtree, Craigslist and HalloLondon from whom inquiry can be made. A few ground rules for the uninitiated:
(1) Stay away from those advertising "tantric"/"sensual" massage as their services are generally directed elsewhere. There ARE a few genuine tantrika, but they rarely advertise on such fora.
(2) Generally avoid those therapists who describe themselves by reference to their appearance and/or other personal data which is irrelevant to the service they provide.
(3) Google the telephone number to check against multiple different adverts and/or against someone with no internet history. Take care if the telephone number if interspersed with dashes or stars- this is generally to prevent googling.
(4) Anyone who works very late into the evening or who offers only one hour services at a very high hourly rate is generally offering something else.
(5) A number of therapists openily state that you will be covered by a towel during treatments. They mean it and you will not be offered naturist services!
(6) Take care if the therapist does not at least post her first name on any advertisement.
Hope this helps.
Bare Issues!
Hi, I'm new to this site and was really interested to read all the comments about "to bare or not to bare!"
I am a LomiLomi bodywork practitioner - a wonderful healing bodywork from the Hawaiian islands. Traditionally this massage is done with the recipient being naked - there are wonderful long flowing strokes up the sides of the body which can be enjoyed best with no underpants on. There is work on the glutes - wonderful for sciatica and work on the hips.
I was taught by Hawaiians and Americans - neither of whom have a problem taking clothes off and baring all.
BUT... in the last couple of years of practicing I have found that lots of my clients have an issue / feel uncomfortable with taking everything off - even if they know they are being draped. For this reason I do not do breast work unless asked and suggest that they keep underpants on. I am struggling with this issue of British prudishness because I know that this bodywork is soooo much nicer inimpeded by clothes - but at the end of the day, it is way more important for my clients to feel 100% comfortable and relaxed - whatever their choice of bareness 🙂
Aloha!
Jacqui
I am struggling with this issue of British prudishness because I know that this bodywork is soooo much nicer inimpeded by clothes - but at the end of the day, it is way more important for my clients to feel 100% comfortable and relaxed - whatever their choice of bareness.
I think you're right with your final comment here, but I also think it has to do with the comfort of the therapist. It's obvious from reading this forum, that the majority of therapists choose not to massage naked bodies, because they are uncomfortable doing so, and with perfectly valid reasons, especially where the client is of the opposite sex.
As I mentioned in my previous post, on a similar thread, I recently had a massage where I was naked and undraped, and I found it a liberating experience. It helped that I was treated by a brilliant masseuse (whom I've returned to since), but I found the fact that she was unfazed by male nakedness, and had no qualms about massaging male buttocks, a refreshing change to the norm in British massaging culture.
Where there is mutual trust between the therapist and client, and both are comfortable with the client's nakedness, I believe the experience of a full body massage can only be enhanced when unimpeded by clothes, as Jacqui puts it.
Anyway, that's my final comment on naked massage on this forum; I'm going for a 45 minute Indian Head Massage next week...;-)
If you buy the ticket ...
... in the last couple of years of practicing I have found that lots of my clients have an issue / feel uncomfortable with taking everything off - even if they know they are being draped. For this reason I do not do breast work unless asked and suggest that they keep underpants on. I am struggling with this issue of British prudishness
Poor Jacqui! Lomi Lomi or Mauri can ONLY properly be performed on a client who is not wearing underwear, and I think your clients have serious self-image problems if they "buy the ticket and then fail to take the ride" (no additional metaphor intended). The point of its gentle effleurage is its long flowing strokes and its inhibition by underwear or other barriers. Indeed most people have it undraped or with very restricted draping. Why do they go in the first place? I think they should really look for other massage treatments such as Thai. Or go to the cinema. Or a garden centre. Whatever ...
The other possibility is that you are not putting them at their ease, which I doubt.
I note that you in Sussex. I suspect that the good folk of that lovely county are probably more inhibited than those of the metropolis- where both client and therapist appear to have less of an issue (if any) with underwear and draping ....
....I think they should really look for other massage treatments such as Thai. Or go to the cinema. Or a garden centre. Whatever ...
I could say so much about this topic!! But I've been there and done that on other threads. :rolleyes:
All I wanted to say was your comment made me laugh! Thank you for that! 😉
Kitten
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well well well, I came upon this thread as I was trying to research a good answer for my VTCT VR74 assignment and trying to find out exactly what 'innapropriate behaviour constituted as a therapist and how to deal with it. This has opened my eyes in loads of ways and I never knew about half of these different 'massages'. As a newly qualified Reflexologist it makes me glad that my clients only have to remove their socks!!;)
I might also add that should my clients witness me wearing anything less than a good salon uniform then it would be likely my business would collapse as I would be a sight for sore eyes:D.....but anyway its a great thread. Long may it last!
xx
True "AUTHENTIC" Lomi
As I have been reading all the input given on lomilomi, I cannot help but get frustrated with all the explanations shared. Being born and raised in Hawaii, and having been taught lomilomi since the age of 7, I wish to correct the misconceptions about true authentic lomilomi.
What is being done in many parts of Europe, Germany, and Australia is not true authentic lomi. "Temple Style", and Lomilomi Nui have been taught as popular techniques. This is "NOT" lomilomi.
Lomilomi is not a technique such as Swedish, or shiatsu etc... It is a lifestyle that is done each and everyday. Lomilomi's literal translation is massage, but it is not the long flowing strokes, or the massaging of people using just a towel cover. The physical massage is the least important aspect of lomi. There is "NO" protocol or set technique. What everyone has seen or experienced with the long flowing, connective strokes is merely an exaggerated Swedish massage. The style that most of you are familiar with, is in actuality, offensive to native Hawaiian people.
I would love to share the true meaning with anyone who is interested. There are many who claim to be teachers of lomilomi, but allow me to show you the proper training, or where to find training from acutal Hawaiian lomi teachers and you will see that it is not what each of you think it is.
True "AUTHENTIC" Lomi
Hi Kauhi,
I read your post with great interest and would be very keen to learning more about the authentic lomi as I'm sure would others on this forum.
Me too! Your post was also copied on to the end of the thread on Lomilomi, people are quite keen to hear what you have to say, as there seems to be a lot of confusion about this style of massage.
keeping it real
What is being done in many parts of Europe, Germany, and Australia is not true authentic lomi. "Temple Style", and Lomilomi Nui have been taught as popular techniques. This is "NOT" lomilomi.
Lomilomi is not a technique such as Swedish, or shiatsu etc... It is a lifestyle that is done each and everyday. Lomilomi's literal translation is massage, but it is not the long flowing strokes, or the massaging of people using just a towel cover. The physical massage is the least important aspect of lomi. There is "NO" protocol or set technique. What everyone has seen or experienced with the long flowing, connective strokes is merely an exaggerated Swedish massage. The style that most of you are familiar with, is in actuality, offensive to native Hawaiian people.
Thank you hawaiian style for your input and comments. There is a lot more to lomilomi than 'just a massage technique'.
I don't know what style you assume most people are most familiar with (that would be offensive to native Hawaiians). It is such a little known practice in the UK that most people are unfamiliar with lomilomi at all.
I do agree that to practice a massage in a spa setting and call is lomilomi is not preserving the tradition or culture, but I also feel that if this wonderful sacred art was kept in Hawaii and not taken to other parts of the earth, then it probably would have been almost lost by now. Yes, it's important to keep it authentic, but I believe that most importantly it is important to spread the aloha in any way that feels right to each individual without judgment.
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naturist massage
ive never experienced a naturist massage but from reading everybodys threads id like to try one any suggestions or good places in lancs area