maybe this is a male female difference
I go back to my original point about teaching and how some courses really drum it into you about towel management etc and it is sometimes only experience of working that relaxes the therapist
as a female therapist I do seem to get phone calls from men asking if I perform extras and they get my details off the Embody site!
and I am not talking about people being fully unclothed I am talking about
to quote one caller "rapid hand movements in the private region"
As a married woman I have forgotten what that it:027:
I honestly can only imagine the pain giving a massage without a bra on - I'd keep bumping into them! Owwwwww - nooo way!
Common Sense
As therapists we all have to make judgements on whether something is safe or not to do. I feel this is one of those things that is hard to advertise as it gives the wrong impression to some.
I have given a naturist massage previously and had no problems.
This is such a funny post. Come on boys and girls (yes BOYS AND GIRLS) who are we kidding??? Why do some people insist on pretending that there is no sensual or sexual connotations of asking a complete stranger to touch and massage your completely naked body? Of course, some of those queries are genuine, but does that 1% really warrant so much discussion? Perhaps the non-sexual/sensual enquiries might even be 5% but it's definitely not the majority.
I have a good piece of advice for women receiving the 'can you please massage me naked because [some weak excuse about why the guy needs to be totally naked]' ... just reply pleasantly, that of course that can be arranged, but for obvious reasons, the therapist will be a heterosexual male. I would guess that 90% of those ever so genuine (not) enquiries would miraculously & very suddenly disappear 😉
And as for all the naturists out there looking for a fully naked massage...well why don't you just ask another naturist therapist where surely there would be no problem. Obviously naturism is not yet generally accepted as the norm (ie you can't walk down Oxford Street, London naked without being arrested) so why the heck do you expect general society therapists to accept your bent when the rest of society's services haven't? I mean I don't see any complaints about not being able to get a naked massage whereas it's ever so easy to get a naked dentist appointment, mortgage advice or lunch at mcDonlalds! Get my point?
Ps. I am the original author of "men and massage ... oh yes, and a bit about being naked!", surprisingly the highest viewed topic on this type of subject....so thought it would be interesting to give my latest views 😉
I dont think anyone is suggesting that ALL therapists should offer naturist or even undraped massage. I think plenty of people who are happy to massage either undraped clients or undertake naturist massage have made the point that it is a question of personal choice for both those receiving and those providing massage.
A significant majority of my Swedish Massage clients prefer naturist massage and none of them, fall into your "95 to 99%" category, proving I fear, that a significant "percentage" of percentages quoted by people trying to make a point are dubious at best.
BTW I think there is a significant difference between sensual and sexual when it comes to massage not to mention life in general.
I am a hetrosexual male who provides naturist and undraped massage.
I think every therapist should do whatever they are comfortable with. I have received a lomi lomi massage by a male therapist, where i was completely naked and it was the best massage I have ever received. He had said I could keep my underwear on if i wanted to but I choose to take if off as i knew the massage would be better.....but also I have been in the position of massaging a male where I felt uncomfortable. I agreed for him to be completely naked but he was covered with a towel during the massage. During the massage the towel fell to the floor accidentally on purpose. I continued in a professional manner with the massage and fortunately all was well, but because I felt uncomfortable I choose not to massage this client again. I feel my decision was well founded as I was then plagued by phone calls from this man and they only stopped when I asked my husband to tell him I was not available to massage him. This has not stopped me taking on male clients but I am more aware and will go by my instincts. If, for any reason, if feel uncomfortable with a client I will choose not to see them again. Fortunately in ten years this has only happened once. It was a learning curve for me.
...surprisingly the highest viewed topic on this type of subject....so thought it would be interesting to give my latest views 😉
Usually these are the highest viewed topics, because every time someone makes a post the moderating team all jump in to check people are posting within the forum rules and rules of decency etc. 😉
Hi Sue,
I'm glad you enjoyed the Lomi Lomi massage and were brave enought to take you clothes off. I also offer people the choice of keeping underwear on but do point out that it does detract from the flow of the massage. The 'loin cloth' used in Lomi Lomi is enough to preserve modesty while allowing the practitioner access to the whole body.
I fully support the view that a therapist has the right to refuse to treat any client that they feel 'uncomfortable' with. I only wish clients were more willing to take a therapists views into consideration. The stories I hear from the ladies I have the privaledge of sharing swaps with makes me about the bedgering they get for 'extras' etc sometimes makes me dispair of my fellow males.
Is this just a British problem or do therapists in other contries have the same issues? Is nudity on the massage table more accepted in other countries? Maybe some of our overseas colleagues would like to throw some light on the subject.
Other Countries
From the US here - and I'd have to say that it is more commonly accepted to be nude during a massage here. But draped in most cases although it is not uncommon, after developing a level of trust with a therapist to not be draped - but not as common. That is, unless one is at a clothing optional resort where naturist massages are the norm.
Thanks for your input stevhoff. Much appreciated.
I have a good piece of advice for women receiving the 'can you please massage me naked because [some weak excuse about why the guy needs to be totally naked]' ... just reply pleasantly, that of course that can be arranged, but for obvious reasons, the therapist will be a heterosexual male. I would guess that 90% of those ever so genuine (not) enquiries would miraculously & very suddenly disappear 😉
That phrase totally nips the problem in the bud doesn't it! I have known other therapists who have had regular calls from men who have asked 'what other services are offered'. I wonder if attractive male therapists ever get unusual requests or innapropriate behaviour from women?
BTW what is wet fish?
I wonder if attractive male therapists ever get unusual requests or innapropriate behaviour from women?
Only a couple of times over many years. One asked if it was a genuine full body massage, when i asked why she replied " I love my breasts massaged"
The other one was obviously sexually enjoying the massage and asked me if I would offer an extra service, she then went further by slipping her hands between my legs.
I obviously declined both.
What gets me wondering is why some supposedly bona fide "naturist" therapists charge a LOT for the privilege? Surely that's going against all this altruistic stuff that we read about.
I wonder if attractive male therapists ever get unusual requests or innapropriate behaviour from women?
It happens though not nearly as often as male clients asking male massage therapists for unusual/inappropriate requests. I don't think 'attractive' comes into it that often, they're just looking for a service, and males seem to be quite overt about it when they think it is possible, if they are looking for that type of thing. I think females look for that type of thing in that setting much less often and if they do, they are usually move covert about it and it's often missed. I think most males are looking for just a massage, probably about 95% of them, and it's about 99% of females that are just looking for a massage, that's just a lot more males than females looking for more than a massage.
BTW what is wet fish?
That's my description of being hit by a saggy cold breast in another thread, slightly sweaty and at a cooler temperature than the hands, when it hit me it was about as disruptive to the flow of the massage as being 'hit with a wet fish'.
Oh dear Cola....not good! i could think of about 3 things a wet fish could be so that clarifies it thankyou! lol