how would you explain the difference...

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Oh you Trickster - trying to get others to do your work for you!

So what is the difference?

I would imagine that one is holistic and the other should only be performed by tall blonds that speak like the Swedish Chef on the Muppets. [sm=scratchchin.gif]

Always did fancy that chef. 😉

Here's some home work in the meantime.

The concept of Holism has existed throughout the entire history of both eastern and western philosophy and General Systems Theory wasn’t developed until 1969. The actual word Holism first appeared in 1928, in the book Holism and Evolution, by Jan Smuts, who wrote:-

"the creation of wholes, and ever more highly organized wholes, and of wholeness generally as characteristic of existence, is an inherent character of the universe. There is not a mere vague indefinite creative energy or tendency has specific characters, the most fundamental of which is whole-making. And the progressive development of the resulting wholes at all stages - from the most inchoate, imperfect, inorganic wholes to the most highly developed and organised - is what we call Evolution. The whole-making, holistic tendency, or Holism, operating in and through particular wholes to the particular wholes, is seen at all stages of existence, and is by no means confined to the biological domain to which science has hitherto restricted it."

(Jan Smutts, cited by Otto & Knight (1961), italics and ‘w’ of whole added by same.)

The rest of the article is here - http://fp.osteopath.plus.com/holistic-centre/articles/wholeholism.htm

Things you do when you're bored - eh? It was probably raining a lot at the time. Note to self - Move to sunnier climes!

Actually wrote it because I got hacked off with folks quoting in books & lecture notes that Holism was based on Systems Theory. [sm=nono.gif]

Okay - I'm getting my coat. - Andrew. [&:]

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My response would be along the lines of Swedish massage being the mechanics of the bodywork. In Swedish massage you have your basic effleurage, pettrissage, friction, tapotement etc. In a strict Swedish massage you are just purely working on the muscles of the body. In a Holistic (or in the case of my qualification Therapeutic) you approach the client as a hole, you come to the treatment to treat mind, body and spirit through your massage. You are looking after the whole, rather then the sum of the parts.

Foz xxx
:o)

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Hmmm, i am starting my A&P course tomorrow evening and i would like to do Body Massage afterwards, my local college though only does courses in Swedish BM , as a new student to all this, i dont understand the explanations above but would still like to know the difference and also which one is best, please so could you explain it again in English please 😮 :D(cough) Thankyou.

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You may also find this helpful.

http://www.healthypages.net/forum/tm.asp?m=74200&mpage=1&key=swedish&anchor#74204

and

http://www.healthypages.net/forum/tm.asp?m=55724&mpage=1&key=swedish&anchor#59499

Lesley

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Okey Dokey

Here is my take.....having done the swedish, course, itec were about to change the name half way through a few years ago...

Swedish, "designed" by Per Henrik Ling and deals with the mechanics only of a massage.......and typically is symtomatic ie it hurts here, ok massage here not worry about why

Holistic, is the "new age" version of this....same massage, it hurts here....oh ok lets have a look and see what it is in your INTEGRAL BIOLOGY (posh phrase for lifestyle) that will cause this and how best to avoid it happening in future whilst also looking at there lifestyle as a whole and improving things such as sleep patterns, diet, water intake etc etc..

Hope that helps

T
x

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excellent work! well done all of you... however, andrew, tsk tsk... that is tantamount to disrepute!! (you'd be so lucky to get a tall, leggy, swedish blonde who's top just *pops* open!)

tracy, interesting... i did swedish too although i remember at the interview prior to acceptance on the course, i was asked what holism meant. (as an aside... did you ever learn the techniques andrew is alluding to? <g>)

foz... "you approach the client as a hole"... is that a big black hole of doom? ;o) just pulling your leg! so can i take it you would say therapeutic and holistic are the same?

rainbowheart, i wouldnt worry about too much... lol but ask your teacher to explain (guffaw)... eeks better not be me!

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Rosie,

You just want to see what Rainbowheart's teacher says...;)

Lesley

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lesley! how could you think that... of me, of all people!!! 😉

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Thanks guys 😉

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heres another thing... (lol which i obviously got onto in a minute)

i had my induction for the teaching job i start tomorrow evening, which i have to tell you, i am having serious misgivings about... could be cold feet, could be all the yucky rules and regulations that them in the offices dosh out. this is a non vocational course and the emphasis should be on enjoyment and fun.

now they approached me (from a previous job application, massage unrelated), were desperate, said i had to be willing to undertake the C & G 7407 (which i am) talked about agreements with local college (good i thought, i wont have to pay!), now to be told that yes, i will be paying and i should be doing it ASAP!! TBH, i'd rather spend my money on a mani/pedi course and why am i looking for a job? cos i aint go no money!! so i have got all in a tizz... and my initial contract is only 10 weeks anyway! they may not run the course again <g>.

okok... i digress... SHE said, ITEC also changed the name to holistic massage because of the swedish connotations (bourne out by andrew!).

oooo that was good to get that off my chest! positive thoughts, positive thoughts...

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It's the politics in teaching that have put me off. I remember the pressure my tutor was under during my course, with the powers that be all trying to put in there two pen'erth. It drove her absoultely barmy in the end.

Rosie, break a leg mate, inspire and enjoy!

Lesley

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oh Rosie, my heart goes out to you . I used to teach class at a local college ( not massage) and they approached me I used to be a teacher but had changed jobs and wrote a lot of training stuff they had heard about so i had a lot of experience.
Working first in schools and then for the LEA I thought I knew all there was about beauocracy. How wrong I was. i was nearly driven mad by the college all the form filling and blah blah blah. BUT the people on the course were great we had a lot of fun and learnt a great deal from each other and I agreed to go back and back. I had a full time job as well and when I got promoted i had to give up the night class but my initial 10 weeks lasted 18 months!

So go for it enjoy the people the experience the fun and who knows you might just make a career out of it

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thanks, lesley and soar.

i feel more positive about it now. i am sure i can make this an enjoyable experience for those coming to class. and i have decided to just lay low and avoid talk of the C & G course, at the moment. there are no available courses this term, it seems and who knows what will happen after this 10 weeks.

so... i am not gonna bust a gut about it!

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Just a little note to Rosie, and all you teachers out there.......
I have done many non vocational courses, Intro to reflexology, card making, intro to sign language, jewelery making, Aromatherapy,and many others. They were a life saver for me. During my darkest days they provided me with a focus and goals, a place to be me, friendship, fun, and lastly I learnt something new;) I look back on them now and I realise how much I actually got from doing them, and the support I recieved from my Reflexology teacher, above and beyond her teaching role was beyond measure, so keep up the good work, you will be helping people in more ways than just teaching your subject:D