Life's Big Question.
Hi all
A thought came to me this evening. .A little tired:025: but once you get something in your head you know you just have to get is out otherwise its lost and cannot be recalled as it originally was. Im sure others have had this experience. so if I go a little astray forgive me.:)
It is interesting how people form beliefs. To read, experience, hear or see things in their lives and come to take these things as true. To believe that there is no other way but the way that they found.
Over time as we grow, something else enters our lives which knocks away our old beliefs which at one time we felt was truth. I too have had many experiences where at one time in life something spiritually found seemed to be ‘truth’. And can anyone knock these beliefs from us?!.
Our beliefs would have been set in stone carried down the mountain by Moses.:rolleyes:
We begin to uphold and defend our truth against others truths, truth of existence, truth of god, truth of healing etc. Many books I have read, and at the end of each book I commented ‘ that was the best book I ever read ’life changing!, until I have read another book then the previous book didn’t seem to have the same status about being the best book because the latest one has taken its place.
Over time the interesting part I found is when after experiencing and learning so much, looking back to what I believed were ‘the answers’, were really just a part of many experiences of at the time ‘believed answers’. The way we defend our beliefs, the way we can see no other than what was before us.
I believe to date people believe so solidly what they need to at certain times in their lives, nothing can question, nothing of any evidence can shake the self constructed belief. For that belief. That experience arrives to serve a purpose. What purpose? I donÂ’t know. But a need it is.
The hunger for truth, the hunger for answers in my view can never be filled while we inhabit a physical body, while in a physical body I believe we can never be sure as to what we feel or hear inside is something other than our own intellects, our own creations.
We have a seeking that will drive us all our lives in many ways not aware of. At the time before our passing I envision we will look back on our lives, see our journeys and realise the lifetime drive to keep busy, to be kept distracted from our haunting inner questions, to ease the unanswered thoughts. In the end letting go and allowing the time of passing away to eventually feel that we may now find out that which we strove to find the answers to all our lives.
However I have felt there must be something, something that drives us, something beyond our physical human form, something bigger than our questions and thoughts. And it is from the thought
‘how we became aware’?:confused:
What drives our existence in the way we live? Other animals, mammals share our world yet most live an animal life, what then happened to us to evolve to an extent we have created a world and live to an extent to have created every fine detail of our lives.
To know love, to hate, to wear clothes, to evolve communication, to build, to discover science, to work, businesses, to build a car, to find medical cures etc etc Â…Â…you get my drift?:)
I can try to understand possibly that other living things were created from the earth since time began in the right conditions and environment, BUT at one point in the sense of humans, at one point something changed, something?, something may have looked at us and from a bigger picture, created lives and the growth we all created since the time of man.
This question I feel is something that humans can only in reality ask is there something else? that we currently physically and mentally experience and live. A god behind our awakening? A something out there? We can debate and discuss ‘again maybe our beliefs to what we think is right, but cannot possibly know is right !!’ but it is this question in our reality that does present before us possibly evidence for some reason? Does it seem humans are different to any other living thing on earth?
Therefore what has happened to humans for them to awaken and evolve as such compared to why other living things which have seemed to stayed as they have been I expect since creation, leads to thinking there is something bigger than our beliefs and ideas of creation?. this question in my view seems more real because of our difference compared to other living things. than in the direct questioning in something we believe in not presenting evidence in the physical realm but also cannot be sure of the evidence to whence it can from.
Good night or is it now morning:039:.
Blessings
Sacrel
You been pondering Sacrel!
Questions endless questions. Everyone is busy trying to find answers. Nobody ever does! It is impossible to have all your questions answered.
However there is another dynamic. The questions drop. The need to have answers can vanish. It can completely disappear so that life becomes enough unto itself.
Questions are not there because they really are there...it is the unsettled mind, oblivious of its own roots trying to understand the whole- it unsettles it more.
Knowledge does not quench deep questions it ignites them more. If answers do come at all, they come out of unknowing. Unknowing is vast like an ocean and our mind is like a wave in the ocean. The wave does not qualify to know the depth of the ocean for simple reason that it is too busy and shallow. For the wave there is a perception of a journey, effort, questioning, getting somewhere. Such is the nature of mind. It has to do, solve, achieve things while Unknowing/No-mind/whole is ever at rest. No questions striving, effort, answers, love-hate, success failure there. is there?
You are right there is this urge/pull of something more than the body...
The ocean calls the wave. The wave is trying to be the ocean...to know it all, understand it all, have grips of the whole...doing spiritual courses, meditations, great philosophies ... and rest of blah
The only way to know anything is to unlearn and do away all the junk that has imposed itself on you- the entire conditioned mind. The wave would have to become ocean to know the ocean. There is no other way. It would have to die unto itself.. It can never know the ocean while it is still a thrashing, crashing, roaring busy bee wave! In other words its attachment to being a wave causes all the questions. It will have to stop and lie down and then it is whole, was whole, couldn't be anything else. but its own sense of separation causes all the tumult, noise, questions, pangs to achieve, resolve,áttain..
No answers serve anything. The questions must drop. Such is the game.
Your true nature has a call that gets hushed by all the learning- all kinds of learning spiritual and all. All the learnt tricks mental and spiritual ones satisfy for a while a while but the emptiness of all promises come to haunt you again. until one goes beyond the shackles and restrains of learnt, borrowed knowlege
How we became aware? It is how it is. Animals are aware too in their own way. The constant playfulness of creation!
Purposeless existence. Conditioned Mind alone gives it a purpose. All kinds of purposes-spiritual, healing the planet, healing fellow humans...all kinds... creation is childlike and playful, utterly purposeless
Hi Sacrel
Beliefs are created as soon as we are able to start forming choices, then we start to create our core way of being, we perceive behaviour in others and make a choice concerning self, that choice creates a belief, the belief in itself is transient in that it can change or adapt to meet the next part of our life experience, but if the beliefs are attached to judgements as in we have been told that something is right or wrong, then they are more stubborn and can create a lasting problem within the fullness of self through the conflicts that they set up within us.
A judgemental belief cannot be knocked out of someone, but they can be transformed with the help of someone else, but that has more to do with the judgement that is underpinning the belief, being transformed so that the belief is no longer being triggered through our core way of being.
If someone has been taught that they are not good enough, then if they choose to embrace this judgement within the fullness of self they will create a core way of being surrounding the judgemental belief that they are not good enough. If we rationalised with them that this is misguided, then they will attempt to change their belief into something else as with the law of attraction and give themselves a bump on the head, for they are trying to use the same consciousness that has set up the judgement to create something else without changing the underlying judgemental core way of being, transform the judgement and the belief can change or dissipate.
If we could dispense with the modern way of living, so that we went back to a time when we were simple hunter gatherers, then we would not be much different from the other beings that exist upon this planet, we would spend our time hunting for food whilst trying to avoid becoming food, moving from one place to the next when the food got scarce, looking to reproduce ourselves and enjoy playing when we had achieved our goal of finding food and shelter for the day's need.
Plants, insects, birds and animals that share the same consciousness that we do, tend to live in the now or present moment, they are in tune with the rhythms of the planet, if something happens it happens, it is dealt with and it is replaced by the next experience. We used to be the same, but we no longer follow a lunar calender or migrate with the seasons, we have become largely disconnected from this life experience, we have become static, much like our judgemental beliefs hold us in a place of judgement that creates pain and suffering, so life passes us by.
Awareness is consciousness, but we often only perceive the tip of the iceberg, we are taught to look outward for information and answers, so we do not take the time to evaluate self. If we stop for a while and choose to look within and explore the fullness of self and go beyond the remit of the thinking mind aspect of consciousness to perceive the fullness of self, then when we have achieved that we find that we can perceive the fullness of everything, where all is one within consciousness and we are all a thread within the tapestry of life. 🙂
I would not say that human beings have so much awakened in these present times, but have fallen asleep to what lies within the fullness of self and through doing that, they have fallen asleep to what lies within the fullness of everything.
Hi Jnani/Paul:)
Thanks for your replies. Quite profound and clearly a lot of knowledge and experience.
Going one step back, everything we learn, the judgements we make, the first choice we made, we can relate to in the here and now, the many questions each person asks, the answers everybody is trying to find we can relate to in the way of similar behaviours, but is it possible that we cannot find the source to the beginning of our behaviours?, the root to our first choice, the creation that created thought? .
We can never be sure? Even if we say I have found truth in order to express truth.
Once we let go of the seeking, once we accept that life just is, to be content, to have a ‘knowing’, if we unlearned everything that we learned, becoming aware of what now is, in whatever state of mind or a seeming no mind a person is, there is always that little voice that draws an intuitive feeling ‘Is what I am feeling, experiencing really what I feel it is?.you have no frame of reference to compare or prove, if you did how would you know it also to be correct?
‘I wonder if People who express they have found god must have that inner little voice of reason that says ‘there is always an element of doubt you know, there is always the question of confirmation you still need.’
The closest I feel we could come to a truth is to believe that ' The mind needs to die and if what is found is real we must have all knowledge of everything there is to confirm that what we think we know is truth'. even this is an idea that cannot be confirmed.
And at only arriving at this point ‘if there is one’ can we know truth of all things.
It’s not what we write today, it’s not what we say today, past present or future. It how we came to be?.
To awaken, to become conscious is not the question, but what before consciousness? Is there a possibility that as I referred to the ‘something’ is the reason that ‘we are’?
As we discuss, as we write our truths, as we believe all of this must have come from somewhere and the question I feel we can never answer. Hence our continuous seeking conscious or unconscious till parting from life.
One may proclaim a higher state of mind, to have found god, to connect with spirit, as a human with a created consciousness (started from somewhere, sometime,) will I feel always be haunted by the question of doubt.
However everything I imagine maybe completely wrong.:rolleyes:
Thanks for your replies quite an interesting profound discussion.
Blessings
Sacrel
Ooo, interesting discussion. 🙂
I'll have to come back to it as busy preparing Mother's day stuff.
Nice one Sacrel
All Love and Reiki Hugs