Bible and Astrology

RE: Bible and Astrology

Hi, hope I can join in?

I'm no scholar of the Christian Fathers and their censoring habits so I've had to look up to see if we still have any references to astrology in the OT and NT

And the NT has:

Luke 21:25
(at the end of this age) ‘There will be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars, and on the earth distress among nations confused by the roaring of the sea and the waves......

Matthew 2:2
"Where is he that is born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the east, and have come to worship him."

Matthew 2:10
"And when they saw the Star, they rejoiced exceedingly with great joy."

I Corinthians 15:40-41
"There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars, for star differs from star in glory."

So they may have slipped up here by not understanding these references to astro-cosmology too well but they certainly had authority over what scriptural texts contained and what could be read by the populus

The Church Fathers were willing to impose strong sanctions against astrology to protect their flocks. In A.D. 120, the noted mathematician Aquila Ponticus was excommunicated from the Church at Rome for astrological heresies. In the quotes below, Augustine and others records that such sanctions were still in force in his day, three centuries later, and could result in a person's being excommunicated.
[DLMURL] http://www.catholic.com/library/astrology.asp [/DLMURL]

The OT has deeper references to astrology/astronomy, there was no separation of these subjects in ancient times, and which is central to esoteric Judaism.
Exoteric references are subtly disguised, example:

Job 38:31-33
"Canst thou bring bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? Or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? Canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?"

Now there are some very interesting words in these verses. The first one is the word Pleiades. Pleiades is a "cluster of seven stars in the neck of the constellation Taurus." (Webster's 1828) Then there is Orion. Orion is "constellation in the southern hemisphere containing seventy-eight stars." (Webster's 1828) What is this word Mazzaroth? Well according to Strong's Bible Concordance # 4216 means: "the twelve signs of the Zodiac" Here the silence is broken with a deafening sound. Here we have a verifiable account of the Zodiac being looked upon with a "holy reverence". Job is actually asking if Yahweh (the so called sacred name for the tribal god of the jews) God can bring the Zodiac about each day and according to the dates thereof. So it is very clear that we are talking about Astronomy here.
http://www.stormfront.org/archive/t-102580

The Mazzaroth is highly significant scheme/structure that shows how biblical numerology and symbology developed

It is no coincidence that there are 12 patriarchs, 12 tribes of Israel and 12 disciples. 12 is the number of astrology and the 12 "houses" that the sun passes through every day and the 12 hours of night and day.
The seven branched candlesticks seen in all Catholic churches are taken from, Revelation 1:12-16. These seven candlesticks are nothing more than the Sun as the central light and represented as Jesus again, and the Moon, Mercury, and Venus on one side and Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn of the other. Because in the "middle of the lamp stand one like a son of man,…girded across his breast with a golden girdle, and his head and hair were white like wool, …and his eyes were like a flame of fire. (Vs. 16) And in his right hand he held seven stars;… and his face was like the SUN shining in its strength." Here we have Jesus Christ being described as the sun again!

And the deeply occult messages of Revelation has many hidden references to planetary c

RE: Bible and Astrology

Dear Astra

Thank you for sharing, I was aware of some of these but I am more interested in what was taken out not for any particular reason was just wondering......especially as there is a whole section on Astrology in th Dead Sea Scrolls but it would take you and other astrologers to understand it.

Interesting that everything was in sevens and 12's and how cosmology may change with new discoveries of Chiron etc my astrologer friends tell me that the Astrological bodies cannot agree which is why this hasn't come in to the mainstream being the 13th sign of the zodiac we have also talked about the eight planetary bodies tieing in with the eight levels of the depths of consciousness. Where in the past everyone spoke in sevens. But i mislaid the whole discussion that I had on this with an astrology expert in Australia.

As I have mentioned before astrology is not my specialist subject just an interest and sometimes inspired to include in some articles when guided to do so.

blessings in abundance

kim xx

RE: Bible and Astrology

Wow, Astra Thankyou for that - This is all most interesting, i have never read the Bible, think i might buy one now. 🙂

RE: Bible and Astrology

Hi Sacredstar

Thank you for sharing, I was aware of some of these but I am more interested in what was taken out not for any particular reason was just wondering......

Maybe we'll never know the full extent of editing, but there seems to be enough astrological references there anyway for verification.

...especially as there is a whole section on Astrology in th Dead Sea Scrolls but it would take you and other astrologers to understand it.

Yes, Gnosticism incorporated mystic Judaism (Kabbalah and it's offshoot astrology) in their practices

Interesting that everything was in sevens and 12's and how cosmology may change with new discoveries of Chiron etc my astrologer friends tell me that the Astrological bodies cannot agree which is why this hasn't come in to the mainstream being the 13th sign of the zodiac

In an old HP post of mine I mentioned that the "thirteenth sign" debate has been around for some time between astronomers and many Western astrologers.
And yes in the Sidereal system there are 13 signs clustered around the Ecliptic,
the 13th sign being the constellation of Ophiuchus (links more with the sign of Scorpio)
However Western astrology is based on a twelve-fold division of the Ecliptic, of exactly 30 degrees (goes back to Babylonian times) This number had a metaphysical basis to the ancients as depicted in the Mazzaroth scheme (mentioned above)
The division of the ecliptic into an equal 12 would have incorporated the constellations that appeared at that time. Ophiuchus may have only become visible comparatively recently (astronomer view needed here)
I made the point then that maybe astrologers need to revise their interpretation of Scorpio taking into account the Myth of Ophiuchus, The Serpent Holder.

we have also talked about the eight planetary bodies tieing in with the eight levels of the depths of consciousness. Where in the past everyone spoke in sevens. But i mislaid the whole discussion that I had on this with an astrology expert in Australia.

Keeping to the theme of the Mazzaroth/Zodiac of the ancients then the 7 personal planets (sun, moon, mercury, venus, mars, jupiter, saturn) were recognised and 7 again is another significant number in this system
I'm not aware of the significance of the '8'

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astra
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