[url]Have scientists found a crashed flying saucer on the seabed? | Mail Online[/url] thought you all maybe interested in this if you haven't already seen it xx
No idea what the object between Sweden and Finland is, and it may have a natural explanation. But certainly strange and other-worldly craft have been seen in the seas for decades and no doubt centuries. In some sightings they are lit up and appear like "flying saucers", but just underwater. Even back in the 1960s the term USO (Unidentified Submarine Object) had been coined. But yes, sometimes UFOs take to the water in accounts, and there are accounts of them coming out of the ocean. So UFOs and USOs are no doubt the same phenomenon, just depending on where seen.
I was puzzled by the Daily Mail account in saying "Experts have also pointed out that even the idea of a flying saucer as a round object might be wrong - the first sighting of such a craft later turned out to be a reporting error."
I haven't a clue what they are talking about. The term "flying saucer" was coined when a solo private pilot in 1947 saw several strange craft high above NW USA, and in order to describe them said they were like "flying saucers". They were perfect discs.
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In the latest release of MoD documents on past UFO reports:
"The latest batch of UFO files released by the National Archives show the Ministry of Defence had neither the resources, nor the will, to study the thousands of reported sightings.
"Photographs and sketches of UFOs made by members of the public are included, as well as their eyewitness reports."
[url]BBC News - UFO claims were not investigated[/url]
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Not investigated - why does that not surprise me? The truth is they know a heck of a lot more about it all than anyone in the public imagines so why waste their time with public sightings which are mainly just lights in the sky!
I latched onto a poor (video only) link there. I'll give a better link below. BTW I haven't been able to get my email-notification to this thread working, so posts may just pass me by....
Hi Jason, I've been thinking about that (how much do the authorities know, and how much do they do?).
The latest release of information is thousands of pages long, but the media seem to be latching just onto this:
"One of the most interesting documents in the files is a piece from an intelligence officer, who basically says that despite thousands of reports that they've received since the Second World War, they've never done any study or spent any money or time on the subject, and they say that people just won't believe that when they find out."
The internal memo from a DI55 [defence intelligence] wing commander dated 5 July 1995 says the media's portrayal of DI55 as a "defender of the Earth against the alien menace" is "light years from the truth."
The file shows the officer feared that if intelligence's interest in UFOs was to be revealed it could cause "disbelief and embarrassment since few people will believe the truth that lack of funds and higher priorities have prevented any study of the thousands of reports received."
A former Ministry of Defence UFO investigator said the files reflected debate over the significance of reported UFO sightings.
Nick Pope worked at the MoD between 1991 and 1994.
He said the files were quite revealing: "The fascinating thing about these files is that they show that just as in society there's this huge debate about UFOs - is it really interesting, are we being visited by aliens - or is it all just nonsense?
"We were having the same debates in the Ministry of Defence. Some people thought it was a waste of time and money, others thought it was of extreme defence significance."
So if we take that at face value, there is no real knowledge or activity by the authorities. They are as much in the dark as we are. It's often seen that way, if you consider that Nick Pope was "THE" Ministry of Defence guy assigned to look into UFOs (he's made a lot of money writing about it since), and he was just one guy, himself in the dark. We can accept that if we wish. If I try to get "conspiracy theory" out fo my mind, and if I totally forget many, many reports from the past of military involvement, then I'm inclined to believe it too, as it would be restful and peaceful to think we're not being lied to.
The alternative is that sure, the vast majority of people in the MoD, and similar institutions in any country, know nothing - why would they? But a serious attempt to look into UFOs, and if there's recovered wreckage or bodies (think Roswell), wold probably be of an order of magnitude of secrecy that we can forget the MoD altogether: they would be considered just "grunts". And Nick Pope being given that one-man job would be the MoD's naive attempt to do a token something.
Fact is that cases such as Roswell, Rendlesham in the UK, and many others do attest to continued "military" (i.e. of some kind) interest, continued secrecy (documented in enormous detail by Timothy Good in "Above Top Secret"), and military-UFO confrontations. I think the book title "Above Top Secret" says it all. The files released regularly now are indeed the general MoD files on UFOs. But there'd be a completely different body, probably international in scope to a degree, as in references to MJ12 in the USA.
Anyway, a better link to the latest info release is: [url]BBC News - Ministry of Defence files on UFO sightings released[/url] . Here we read:
The files include 2001 testimony from a retired RAF fighter controller and an MoD official on a 1956 UFO incident in Suffolk.
Ex-controller Freddie Wimbledon describes scrambling fighter planes to intercept a UFO seen on radar and by people on the ground at RAF Lakenheath. He says it reportedly latched on to a fighter plane, "following its every move" before departing at "terrific speed".
Retired MoD official Ralph Noyes describes being shown footage of UFOs taken from the aircraft.
That's actually not news. The Lakenheath incident was known of publicly soon after. There was indeed a typical saucer-type UFO seen both by eye-witnesses and on radar, in 1956 over UK airspace. Fighter jets were scrambled and it just played with them.
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