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Venetian
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OK... This changes our whole view of how the world "works"

Thank you very much for sharing that link, Jas.

I recommend anyone to watch it. It's an hour long. Slightly more insightful than spending an hour on a couple of soaps?

My thoughts on this, in no particular order:

* He's honest. It's not something you can "prove scientifically" that he's telling the truth. But he goes into great detail, he has no hidden motivation (not to be released during his life). You just have to watch the video to know his total sincerity. Use human intuition.

* So the implanted chips abductees talk about: some or all of them may not be alien, as they were produced on earth decades ago, and he helped develop them...

* He is SO like my late friend, Antony C Sutton. I do wish they'd met. Then again, they hold cards close to their chests and may have met.

* He shatters the idea that "large secret projects involving many people could not be kept secret as someone would talk". He gives examples of black projects which were large, kept totally secret for 50 years. Also the example of people publicly being killed, which persuades others to keep quiet.

* I'm very interested in these 4 non-governmental and global power groups, but he gives no more information.

* I expected (from you LOL!) that this would all be about UFOS. It isn't, most of it isn't. But UFOs are just one more thing he includes as being kept from the public. He claims they are so commonly acknowledged at higher, 'black' levels that they are called AVCs as a matter of course: "alien visitation craft". This is much like in some Vedas where in ancient India there was regular dialogue and knowledge between aliens and the people of the sub-continent. But he also speaks of reverse-engineering in aerospace "going back to the early 1950s". There has clearly been contact at official levels and/or many recovered crashed craft.

* There are implications from the special USA-UK relationship he mentions, and that secret assassinations by government agencies DO take place. David Kelly? JFK obviously.

Finally, what a crap job US Presidents have all done as public representatives as they either never speak at all about all these things - or don't know. But they must get insights! It's very likely that they know the consequences upon their own lives, and that they are not the real leaders in this world, just public figure-heads.
Are our PMs any better then? It reminds me of what Thatcher said to a researcher, without thinking, at a dinner party, when asked about UFOs and the huge Bentwaters case: "You can't tell the people". So they don't, and the people don't know about all this.

Here's a guy who's work life took him into these places many times, and he talks openly (safely as not to be released while he lived). Fascinating.

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Ok a few days ago I saw this video of a supposed UFO over Jerusalem and thought it was pretty good, but a few moments ago I found another video of it shot from a different area by a tourist. This has made it soooo much more interesting.

Here's the first video:

and the second:


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Very interesting. (And no need to lip read in the opening seconds of clip #1!)

Clip 1 is good as it gives you a broad view of what happened over a holy site just a few days ago. And we see that (if we accept the clip), the original object is simply a smaller one or a probe, which shoots at incredible acceleration up to a "mother" ship of which we don't quite see the outline, but we see its lights (a saucer? a triangle? but it's big).

The importance of clip 2 is obvious: clip 1 isn't some individual piece of fakery: the object(s) appear to have been there, real, and able for all to see.

All I've seen is the post by caveman here on HP, but it'll be typical of such a case that while nobody else may have taken videos in time, many other people in Jerusalem will have witnessed the event. Even people who were nearer still, perhaps. It may be that other eye-witness testimonies have already been recorded within Israeli newspapers?

So what's the skeptics' explanation?

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The importance of clip 2 is obvious: clip 1 isn't some individual piece of fakery: the object(s) appear to have been there, real, and able for all to see.

All I've seen is the post by caveman here on HP, but it'll be typical of such a case that while nobody else may have taken videos in time, many other people in Jerusalem will have witnessed the event. Even people who were nearer still, perhaps.

Yep, I just, in Google advanced, placed something like "jerusalem ufo january 28 2011 witness witnesses" and you find two more, independent videos, including a longer version (starts earlier) of caveman's first. There's also testimony from someone very near who didn't look up to see a UFO but was under the flash, asking what it was. But this is good as we have triangulation from 3-4 video spots, and the events are all timed the same in all the independent videos. Conclusion: this really happened. We also get the lights of the "mother craft" video'd again:

http://thetruthbehindthescenes.wordpress.com/2011/01/30/ufo-over-the-old-city-of-jerusalem-jan-28-2011/

To clarify, we have:

1. The first video posted by Jas and the first that came to light.

2. Someone very nearby captured the same on his phone-cam as video. This is surely the man we see in clip 1, in the foreground, using his mobile cam. So video 1 actually shows video 2 being taken.

3. The the second link from Jas, by American tourists.

4. A fourth video now, all timed the same, but providing triangulation. To clarify, this latest video to surface is on its own at:

I'm sure there will have been many witnesses who simply saw it with no video. That's the usual pattern. These will either be in the local press, or will need locating by researchers.

[Edit to add: This is the next day. The immediate link above is new, as the one I posted led elsewhere overnight and had changed. Currently, at least today, the link immediately above works. In fact it's more interesting. It brings out the "mother ship" lights better, and slows down what happened to show there were actually two light-flashes.]

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A bit more on the Jerusalem UFO videos

I just took another look.

It may not be clear to the casual reader that the second clip posted on the net (not in Jason's post above) is the phone-cam clip found within this page:
http://thetruthbehindthescenes.wordpress.com/2011/01/30/ufo-over-the-old-city-of-jerusalem-jan-28-2011/

I think it's actually better in a way. The first clip gives context, as you can see the immediate surroundings and the man taking clip 2 in the foreground. But the phone-cam clip (clip 2) shows luminosity better, and is the best at showing the lights of the "mother ship" above. They were clearly aware of a huge object there, but it's not really visible as a whole object on any video.

What is very good as evidence is that further down that page, the last video link, before comments endlessly begin, videos 1, 2, and 4 (not the US tourist one) are shown all on one screen, and events clearly happen in perfect sequence: descent, hovering, the flash of light, and the sudden ascent. I don't see how anyone could say this has all been faked. (To a real researcher, you'd track down the people and interview them anyway: and again, I have no doubt at all there were many witnesses, not just video-takers.)

The US tourist clip, or clip 3, is strange in a way. The ascent appears to myself a bit more slow. I may be wrong and I can't explain it. You also, far as I can see, observe no light-flash. It may be that the flash was better from distance, being reflected off surrounding buildings: the object itself actually doesn't flash!

They were also tourists, amazingly with only a passing interest in the phenomena it seems, as so far as we know they didn't look up and see the much larger craft above them. At least there's no footage. They could do with being interviewed.

The fourth clip (does anyone speak the language to translate?) clearly has local people astonished. In the video you can hardly make out in the second half the larger or "mother" craft above: but fully half the video is used on it: clearly the Israelis below were very aware of a huge object above them. It's just that their video-cam wasn't set to pick up subtle luminosity. I feel that they were VERY aware of this thing above them, and its size, but the video doesn't pick much up. You can just faintly make out some red lights.

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