Living universe

http://discovermagazine.com/2009/may/01-the-biocentric-universe-life-creates-time-space-cosmos

What do you think? And does it matter in the great scheme of things?

Norbu

Awesome, The mind boggles as to what's out there. If I understood any of it it would appear to support Christian Science theory that we are not material. That's only if I understand both sciences.

HI Scomm,

Norbu's link is a bit over my head, but just taking the time and space aspect – you know, time and space are mortal measurements, limitations, while infinity and eternality are the elimination of time and space. When we also reach the understanding that matter is thought objectified, you then start to understand Christian Science. Everything exists in consciousness.

I have two friends who have experienced time disappearing. One had a talk to give at the opposite end of Manhattan and there was an electricity blackout, so he had to walk down 24 flights of stairs, then when he got into a taxi, found that all the traffic lights were down and there was gridlock. He went the length of Manhattan in 16 minutes - physically impossible under normal circumstances, let alone those that day.

Another friend of mine knew she had to meet a certain individual but someone tried to stop her from going to Heathrow from London that day. Again, through specific metaphysical understanding, she got there in an impossibly short time and met the person just as he was about to go airside.

This lady's husband had tried to kill her (he was ordered to do so by his family when she wouldn't convert to Islam) but by understanding the principles of Christian Science, her husband's hand became paralysed and the gun fell out of it. She later managed to escape from Iraq with her son in a remarkable way. Again under extraordinary circumstances, she had bumped into her husband's cousin in London and he said he wanted to help and to meet her at Heathrow. A well-meaning friend did everything she could to stop her (even physically hanging onto her ankles!) but the result was that the family paid for the son to have private schooling.

I was with this same lady when my dog was attacked, years later and there was a large hole under his ear with lots of matted blood. Again, CS treatment was given and the next morning, there was nothing there - the flesh had filled in, the hair was all grown back - it was as if nothing had happened and from a metaphysical perspective that was the truth. If I hadn't witnessed it with my own eyes (and had a blood stained cloths to prove it) I wouldn't have believed it. It proves the statement from the article below that I have highlighted.

As you say Scomm, what actually exists that most of us are unaware of, is awesome!

This is the beginning of an interview with two physicists who are also Christian Scientists.

[url]Time masters[/url]

Jeffrey Hildner: Laurance, David, what is time?

David Carico: If you had to pick a quick scientific definition of time, according to physicists, that is, the one I generally offer my students is, it’s another dimension to the universe. We have forward and backward, right, left, and up and down—those are the three dimensions of space. Of course, there’s a fourth dimension that is forward and backward: time—future and past. When you make that connection, time becomes just one more dimension. So space and time are really inseparable, and that’s why physicists generally talk about space-time as one word, one concept. Whatever it is, it’s the same thing.

Laurance Doyle: Mary Baker Eddy recognized that time is a falsity. It’s a delusion. You don’t want more of it—you want to get rid of it. Getting rid of time is one of the things that relates directly to Christian Science healing. Time is considered a healer in medical practice, but not in Christian Science practice.

Hildner: Time has no power.

Doyle: Right. And I would say that physicists are converging on that concept, on the concept of time as Mrs. Eddy defined it. And they’re converging as well on the concept of matter—and therefore on the concept of space-time, as you say, David—that Mrs. Eddy talked about over a hundred years ago, namely that matter also is false, a delusion. Einstein was unusual, being 30 or 40 years ahead of his time, and most physicists and scientists are considered geniuses if they’re a couple of decades ahead of their time. But Mrs. Eddy was over a century ahead of her time in her concepts of what matter is and what time is. Physicists have for the last century been discussing that time is an illusion.

Worth reading all of it!

Judy

Loved your accounts of peoples experiences with time Judy!

Awesome, The mind boggles as to what's out there. If I understood any of it it would appear to support Christian Science theory that we are not material. That's only if I understand both sciences.

Hi Scommstech,

Here are my thoughts:

Everything exists in consciousness.

Nothing exists without it! At least; awareness individualised in the subject is indivisible from object.

To some, consciousness is merely based on the identity based on the distinctions of language that describe differences between subject, object and relationship functions. But "awareness" itself is not dependent on language and concept. However language and concept are very powerful shapers of awareness and therefore also powerfully shape consciousness of self as subject and object as not-self.

Therefore, to shape reality as we would have it be, we must guard our minds and form our thoughts with a more insightful view of self as subject which is inseparable from object held in a mutually sustaining relationship. Seeing interrelationship as structurally indivisible from self and other tells us that self is inseparable from the object, which is held in the mirror of mind. In this dynamic function we have the potential for mastery via our thoughts. This is because our thoughts shape our awareness and our awareness is inseparable from the object of our perception be it "self" or "other:" whether this object is our own mind, our own body, those with whom we interact or our environment.

But does "everything exist in consciousness?" I think this is a step too far towards philosophical idealism, but the distinction may not be so easily grasped.

Norbu

Sorry Norbu, I'm lost.......One day, I may understand.....:confused: