If we are the result of Creation, why such a poor example for the Soul
to work with. The human mind and body are so easily corrupted.
That's just a very personalised point of view, though. As 'Shakespeare' wrote: "What a piece of work is a man"! What a wonderful and inspiring example of God in action so many people are, and all are in potential! The human mind and body are so easily elevated into lofty heights, with just a bit of effort and desire to do so.
I do think that there is a need for more information as to the actual reason for our existence.
"Information"? :p
But that makes it sound as if there should be a physical or online encyclopedia somewhere. Look up "The actual reason for existence" and it'll be all printed out there? LOL. And written by whom? It's something we have to figure out for ourselves. It's what makes life interesting.
V
Has anybody considered what was not discussed on that video.
If we are the result of evolution as Darwin suggests, where will evolution end, if indeed it does. !!!.
Mmm... I thought that was the interesting thing about the programme and what makes this an interesting subject to post a string on.
The debate essentially boils down to a question of whether a scientific explaination for life on earth is a valid basis for rejecting spiritual causality or not. Whether you think it is or it isn't isn't actually do with the scientific explanation but is more to do with your beliefs about "what it is that exist of itself" or what is ultimately "real."
Is matter self existent?
Is spirit self existent?
Are both self existent?
Are neither self existent?
Or none of the above?
Or all of the above?
Or both all and none of the above?
Or neither both or all of the above?
And so on forever.
My conclusion is that it's beyond language to make sense of these questions. Some say that the way round this problem is to explain that language is merely functional and when we try to enter into this debate we are going up a dead end because language only describes pseudoelements defineable by convention from a relative perspective in processes of change; including what we mean by "I."
On the other hand I kind of think this is a bit of a cop out even if it is largely true. And the reason is this:
Processes described by functions fit patterns that seem to pre-exist the relative existence of the process itself. These patterns are like platonic forms... and that's where "God" creeps back in.
So I'd say you can't have evoltion without God and you cannot have a blind machine without intrinsic order. And intrinsic order is something that only gets recognised by awareness at the same time as awareness being associated with these complex patterns (life) that emerge out of "the blind watchmakers" work. It woulde seem that purpose, form, mind, love... cannot be removed from the "blind machine."
Norbu
That's just a very personalized point of view, though. As 'Shakespeare' wrote: "What a piece of work is a man"! What a wonderful and inspiring example of God in action so many people are, and all are in potential! The human mind and body are so easily elevated into lofty heights, with just a bit of effort and desire to do so.
V
Venetian, I am cautious in relying on other peoples opinions. Although they are perfectly entitled to them. Shakespeare was a play write. He would probably have been very successful in Hollywood., however there is no evidence that he had the wisdom of "Solomon". His description of man
is poetic. History has shown us there is a darker side to man. Evolution may be the path that allows us to rise above any spiritual failings. The Creation path does not appear to allow for a similar development.
Information"? :p
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But that makes it sound as if there should be a physical or on line encyclopedia somewhere. Look up "The actual reason for existence" and it'll be all printed out there? LOL. And written by whom? It's something we have to figure out for ourselves. It's what makes life interesting.
Venetian, Science is applying itself to a greater understanding of spiritual matters.There are answers. Information does not appear by magic, It has to be painstakingly discovered. Spiritual messages are being given that do "tie up" with recorded history. Love is normally given by spirit as the supreme objective. A question is why love. Is it an energy that is a requirement of the universe. If so how could the universe use it. To say that its up to the individual to decide for themselves is very limiting. If a child in school knows the purpose of education, the out come is more successful. I believe there is a common purpose for our existence.
IMO of course...... 
IMO of course......
:wave:I see you like the term IMO now then 😉
:wave:I see you like the term IMO now then 😉
I put it in especially for you Fleur.............