RE: Astral Work
Hi Steve/Nancy,
I have never encountered anything horrendous in my sleep state as far as I can tell.
I don't remember much at all to be truthful and only one recollection that happened years ago springs to mind - was when I was helping somewhere after a terrible air crash abroad years ago. I did not physically learn of the crash until the day after my 'experience' for it happened during that night.
The rescue work I have done has always been on this plane, and I have been led to it when it has been necessary for my assistance. When I first began my development many years ago now - I offered myself in service to be used however spirit felt I could be, putting myself in their hands so to speak and, many times I wake up, as I said more tired than when I went to bed. I do not recall what I have been doing and just assumed that it was in the astral level, which I thought was the next level to this one. If as you say this is not so, and the astral is beyond the next level .... would there be work for me to do on the level beyond our own now ? Or would I possbly be helping in other areas of the spirit world ?
Apologies for being so obtuse - right now I feel as if I have a cold coming on and my head does not want to understand even the simplest of explanations. ( Fuzzy Bear today)
with love
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RE: Astral Work
Freda.
True work with the spirits of recently departed persons takes place in the fifth dimension. This is the first level above our own in which we can genuinely work with Spirit. However, if that is all we aspire to, we keep ourselves at that level, even if we have the potential to rise far above it.
Vortex is right that all levels are one, like a rainbow, and it takes all to make up the whole. But also like the rainbow, there are differences in the way that each colour is expressed and these are not just illusion.
Your soul progression may have been accomplished to the seventh level, but if you choose to remain at the fifth (or stuck in the fourth by exerting or accepting control) you will not move the soul on beyond its present level. It is our ultimate goal to be able to express violet, as such, at the highest level of development.
Communication with Spirit can take place at every level except the fourth dimension (the Astral), which is the next level to this one and is to be avoided by those who wish to progress.
By working in the fifth dimension you avoid the Astral, as you would in any case through the protection of your son, but by remaining in that level you limit the possibilities of your own continued growth. You might consider asking Spirit to show you how to move beyond your current level, but you must be ready to accept that there will be change. It takes tremendous courage to make that move.
RE: Astral Work
Hallo all,
This is my perception of the Astral Plane.
The Astral Plane is the first stop after death, it is a resting area, and we often visit it in our sleep. It is where we go to sort things out.
It is also called 'The Plane of Desire' or 'The Plane of Illusion' (like this life/reality).
The most important point is that it is the EMOTIONAL plane.
The Astral BODY gives us our emotions and feelings.
The PHYSICAL Plane - this has substance to create our phsyical bodies.
The SOUL links to the Super-concsious Mind.
The conclusion of which is, that all is ordained from a Higher Level. We are supposed to be working with the Angelic Realms, although it should be remembered that all is Free Will. Therefore the Astral/Physical/Emotional Energies all have FREEWILL.
When we meditate, we try to get rid of our conscious mind and let the subconcious, or Astral body, take over.
The Astral Plane can help in a very direct way, but there are three points to remember. It acts as a stop gap, and therefore, lingering there is both unnessessary and unwise. And, there are places on there, which are situated on the lower levels of the Astral Plane. We can go there to heal.
There are very dark places on there too, which most of us know how to avoid.
Guides from the Astral plane will love and support us but NEVER EVER tell us what to do because this interferes with Free Will. They are in fact not ALLOWED to tell us how to run our lives. You will recognise Astral guides, from those in higher dimensions, as they have a form and a face and a name.
Light and Love
Gillyxxx
RE: Astral Work
Gilly,
Spirit does not require that we ever enter the astral in sleeping, waking or transitional states. There is nothing there that can be of benefit to us. Because we only enter voluntarily, Spirit steps back and allows us to get on with whatever we choose to do.
That is the essence of free will. We can do whatever we want whether it furthers our progress or not. We can choose to control or be controlled, even if it results in a tremendous drop in our spirit level.
You are correct that astral guides will seem to have substance, as in a body and face. That is because we have created them and they appear in precisely the way we want them to. However, all spiritual beings have names, so that is not an adequate identification procedure.
Higher-level guides will not usually tell us what direction to take, but they can at our request. They tend to be somewhat non-specific, but can also at times be very insistent. I know of one instance when a friend was about to enter the Astral that Michael (shouted) STOP to prevent her from doing so. Thats pretty specific. But had she decided to do so, he would not have interfered with her choice.
Free will would be negated by preordination. You can have one or the other but not both.
RE: Astral Work
Well for me I probably would not now I was in the astral plain if I was ha ha
All l have is some thing I want answers for or to do and I get them from when I am traveling in the car on the computer well when ever
The only thing they have told me that I don’t need to go there I don’t meditate it just happens
As all I see is heavy and light energies that come to me to help
The heaver give me more practical things to living here and that’s good readings about where I am heading in life here
The light ones work on my thought patens and beliefs and they tell me things like you are having a new energy brought in to your system and thing that have no relevant to daily living but more on the spiritual and my normal reply is oh ok for it really means nothing to me but the wisdom is awesome and what thay tell of the worlds past and future
amassing
So the “so called realms to me don’t exist” for me never had
It just happens realm to me is a label for grading some thing that I feel is just what it is
A awesome mixture of energies much like us here and all have awesome things for me to experience people here and spirit
Love brent