lucid dreaming

RE: lucid dreaming

Hiya Sam,

Lucid dreaming and out of body can often be the same, but can also be different 😉

A Lucid dream can be an out of body, but it can also be a dream that is lucid (ie vivid, 'real', or even 'more real than daily life')

In my opinion, Lucid Dreaming is dreaming where the level of clarity, awareness and reality is 'crystal clear' - this can crossover with an OBE, but can also be stand-alone.

This is a very very common problem when talking about non-physical experiences - definition! People have the same name for different things, or often call the same thing different names!

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based on your sentence "although I fight that every step of the way and I am aware of spirit around me when it is happening" I'd guess thats OBE, because Lucid Dreaming tends towards a totally immersive experience (in that your not aware of your normal daily self when in that dream - you are totally immersed in where you are) whereas with OBE, again in my opinion and experience, you are aware you are having an OBE, or that you are dream-walking.

Dream-type states are very difficult to pin down because of the watery nature of the astral plane - try to pin down the contents of a glass of water - it just moves around your finger....

I think i've successfully confused the issue further....
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Darren
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PS problem I have with this is those lucid dreams where you live an entire life elsewhere - anyone else experience this? I wake up here in utter surprise because ive just lived 40 odd years on a farm as X, married to Y with A,B kids and C occupation and lived that life fully, only to wake up and its just been a dream....or has it? These are a TYPE of OBE (since OBE is a very generic term - bit like UFO - if your awareness is not here, right now, in yer body, then really, its an OBE, just as if an object is flying and you dont know what it is, its a UFO), and definitely a lucid dream, but not what i would consider astral travel, since the plane of experience of the dream was not the astral....

so, in fact, on that basis, i'd say - all lucid dreams are really OBE's of a sort, but not all OBE's are lucid dreams......there we go, im happy with that...

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RE: lucid dreaming

Thanks for that, its a great explanation.;)

The OBE attempts have just started again as they did in my first pregnancy but this time I'm not playing ball as it were, just wasnt sure if I was dreamingthe entire thing anyway.

Quite scarey you know at times, especially when you wake up and have to have your partner put the light on for you to sleep because you have no idea if you are in reality - and at 32 yearsof age needing the light on to sleep - tut tut!! 🙂

Best wishes Sam x

RE: lucid dreaming

Quite scarey you know

yes - I know! [sm=hidesbehindsofa.gif]

i take it you are not consciously trying this? is it happening in your sleep or when your just waking up/dropping off?

I found that when i was regularly practising for consciously-induced OBE's, they would often happen by surprise at other times and I was comfortable with that. After turning my attention to other things, I had them start happening on their own again after a few years, and the fear returns, but not the same.

I found, first time round, the fears were about the unknown. Second time round they were about control - i wanted to control when I was OBE'ing, so having it thrust upon me hit my control-freak side :D.

put the light on for you to sleep because you have no idea if you are in reality

If I come to in that state where I dont know what I am, who I am, or where I am momentarily (which im sure youve experienced!), I get up and grind my toes in the carpet, rolling my feet to grind the edges and heel too, and I wiggle my spine gently to settle a proper posture on me while taking very small, slow steps to 'settle myself back' .....this helps that queasy-like disorientation recede quicker and get your awareness back to where you are - but get up slowly or the headrush will give you G-LOC {gravity induced loss of consciousness} and you'll drop straight back into OBE!)

or that works for me anyway, although you will look a bit like a thunderbird or making a bad attempt at the birdie dance in the process - but then, you may be able to switch the light straight off again and get back to sleep OK...;)

Darren
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RE: lucid dreaming

Hello again - no this is a 2am to 3am experience having ibeen n bed asleep for hours. Its probably about once every few weeks.

My 'fear' is because I am totally aware that it is spirit wanting to take me somewhere and I am not willing as not in control and I have had this happen before in a not very pleasant way - but that is a whole other story!!![:-]

Best wishes Sam x