sue - i'm unable to receive PM's at the minute until i've been active on the forum for a few days so i will take a look when it comes through. thank you very much 🙂
tigress - i will have a think about which of my friends/family are libran. i'm assuming that because my daughter is on the cusp that she may have some virgo traits too?
I have used astrology for 26 years. To me, during an analysis of a birthchart it is an error to pay too much attention to the 'Sun sign'; far greater significance is weighed out throughout the whole chart; the key strongest aspects between the planets, the four 'corners', the rising sign - and what planets are present in the 1st,4th,7th and 10th houses together with the aspects these make with one another. Sadly the media has conditioned our society into a 'astrology is just sun signs' mentality - when the reality is SO much more. The Sun is a valid and critical component - but on its own it is relatively weak when perceiving a personality. I have learnt to study as an order of priority:
a) what are the key planetary aspects (ie the measure of degrees between planets - 30,45,60,90,120,150 & 180* being the most significant). Some aspects 'speak louder' than others...
b) What is the rising sign (aka Ascendant sign) and what planets are either in the first house or make aspect to the ascendant.
c) What sign is on the MC (aka 10th house cusp) and what planets are either in the 10th house or make aspects to the MC.
d) Where are the Sun & Moon in the houses and what planets aspect them...
Only after this might I actually pay attention to which sign the Sun occupies...
There is a vast variety of information available within a birthchart - and when this is taken further to the 'current day' through the 'Progressions' system as mentioned by Tigress (a day equalling a year so at age 30 a chart is calculated for exactly 30 days after the birth time) extraordinary insight can be gained into the life of the individual. Add to that - the transit chart (ie of any given time) and between the three charts you can easily see patterns and correlations that reflect events in the life of the individual as it unfolds. Through this 'triple chart' I know it is possible through astrology to predict an event to within a few minutes of it happening months or even years in advance; I have done so many times - it can take your perception of 'reality' to a level at which you can perceive there is a definite purpose behind all events in all our lives.
You can go further still and consider the motions and positions of the major asteroids... I once did a chart many years ago which didn't seem to 'click' to the event in the woman's life at the time... but then I found she had a natal asteroid exactly on her ascendant and it all began to make sense...
Another curious reality is that on converse progressions; where one includes the data of time before birth (ie 30 days before birth for 30 yrs old); I haven't done that myself but I have know others that worked successfuly with it.
The most conclusive astrology is that of rectification. Here the astrologer is given the date and place of birth but no time. Through events in the person's life and their known dates (& if possible their times on those dates) the seasoned astrologer can not only come up with the correct time of birth but go further and predict events in the person's future by such a defined birthtime. If ever any sceptic were to doubt real astrology - they'd be at a loss as to explain such circumstances! However - few astrologers can be bothered with 'proving' the subject to closed minds - they have better things to do with their time...
Study of the 'real' astrology is a meritable and fascinating project; but be warned - once you hit the first few 'awakening bells' (where you realize it DOES work) from thereon it can be addictive... I know of one case where someone actually divorced their partner because of his obsession with astrology!
Everytime I hear these 'pseudo-astrologers' on radio shows I just change the channel or switch it off - there is absolutely no point in listening to their gibberish - they are quoting only sunsign astrology and given that every single person on Earth is different and has a different birthchart (even twins cannot be born at the exact same time) - their advice is utterly absurd.
Pisces Mum, I calculate the Sun at 00 degrees, 8 minutes and 28 seconds inside Libra for your daughter. She is 'Libra' in Sunsign terminolgy. However you don't mention where in the Uk she was born - and thus her ascendant / rising sign / birthchart can vary considerably.
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apollo, thank you so much for your interesting post. it's such a complex but fascinating subject.
she was born in liverpool, england.
would the place of birth have an effect on her sunsign? what effect does the place of birth have on the birth chart in general?
hi,
we only need the place of birth to determine the chart, so I picked London, as you said she was born in England.
A good place for you to begin is to play with Libran qualities, thats why I suggested you observe Libran friends, so you develop your own awareness and do not rely only on books.
As you get more interested you can then go on to explore your daughter's rising sign.
The rising sign is not connected to the city/town in England where she was born
tigress
I use Astocalc and definitely Libra but with Mercury, Saturn and Venus in Virgo, she will have Virgoan qualities. It is a very interesting chart, at a quick glance I'm seeing a T-square, a grand trine in water and almost a finger of fate as planetary configurations.
A good book to start with is Parkers Astrology.
And yes, use an astrologer, don't bother with the computerised analyses.
Regards
Edited to add her rising sign is Leo and her moon is in Scorpio