Hi Gaz
I think I'm getting there! But is upper ground parallel to floor with lower arm and elbow on floor, or is elbow up in the air? Am I right in thinking that it's the shoulder making these circular movements (they are therefore small movements, right?) or is it the elbow?
I too really appreciate all your trouble. I'm now identifying a line of soreness from about 3 inches above my elbow, up the outside of my arm to that spot about 3 inches below my shoulder. In line with the outside point of my elbow. Movement of my upper arm is possible but slightly impeded, as for example when I undo my bra. (Sorry - that's the only example I can think of where you can picture me bending my elbow and trying to put my hand behind my back and up towards my shoulder blades. The left hand goes much further up.) I guess in the end I'm going to have to start with the see the doctor routine and take it from there....but it's so very difficult to get to see a doctor at my practice.
xx
Sorry, Gaz, no. Just realised I'd forgotten to try out your exercises. Will do so now and come back to you.
BIA - I've no idea what TOS or cervical disk means but I know this is RSI from using my keyboard. I could feel it travelling from the tip of my index finger up my arm. I just dont want to go to the doctor if I can avoid it.xx
Sorry; I've discussed it on a couple of threads already; here'sthe most recent.
My thought on TOS was for ali_jane's 1st post however. For yourself I wouldn't like to comment without a full history and examination; but that doesn't sound like a typical RSI (which should hurt whilst doing the repetitive action).
To Ali_Jane, having read your 2nd post now; I'd say it sounds most like a C7-8 disk injury with C8 radiculopathy. Chiro/Osteo/physio should all be able to help, but physio will rely on being seen often enough, and them being willing to do things to you, not just giving you exercises.
To Gaz, sounds like a freak misdiagnosis; but as you say, diagnosis isn't an exact science, and there's good and bad in any profession. I won't comment further on that one, because I don't know if there were any indicators to suspect a broken bone.
Thanks for info, BIA. I will take a printout of your post to the Physio when I see them.
Yesterday shoulder/middle of back gave sharp pains while sitting at my desk and twisting round to pick up something over to the side. I then found it painful to move my upper back at all, particularly twisting movements. Dr who I work with said it sounded like it's seizing up. Certainly continues to be more painful since then, but if I rest and do nothing there's no pain, just the pins and needles and ache in my arm.
Out of interest, could the exercising I've been doing have caused this? I am overweight and unfit, but have been exercising under supervision of a personal trainer and feel I haven't been doing anything that's been too difficult. The only exercise I've done that works the area where the pain started is called the cobra, where you work the muscles in the middle of the upper back by pulling the arms backwards. I did this exercise regularly for several weeks before the pain started, and continued it afterwards as it didn't hurt while I did the exercise.
I also sit at a computer all day for work, and I don't have a good posture, so that might be a factor too.
If I knew what the possible causes were then I might be able to avoid them in the future.
Ali
Hi Ali,
the cobra is an exercise to strengthen your rhomboids and middle trapezius, it can be a protective adaptation if you start using these muscles in the same way it would make your legs ache if you went for a ten mile run with no previous training, its important no to increase your activity by more that 10% per week that will prevent too much aching and any compensation from other muscle groups.
Hi sunanda, elbow should be inthe air, tightness in the internal rotators sounds likely if you cant fasten your bra behind, its actually a question in my consultation for the ladies with shoulder discomfort.
Back to Ali,
I think your posture is the cause, as it is with the majority of my clients who experince this kind of discomfort.
in the last 30 years we have gone form a labour intensive workforce in manufcturing and agriculture to a sedentry computer based workforce, it is not a coincidence that we suffer more stress related injuries, RSI, carpal tunnel, migraines etc
best regards
Gaz
Hello Everyone,
All very interesting and detailed. From my point of view there is an underlying metaphysical experience going on for those of you who are experiencing pain in your shoulder/arms etc. You are experiencing a burden and manifesting the pain for your individual reasons.
My belief is that what was once nothing can go back to nothing with a change of thinking pattern and thought process.
All the best to all of you
Cheers
I just came across this thread and thought I'd put my two-pence in for what it's worth, as in the last dozen years I had two bad trapped nerves (one in 2006), and RSI certainly. I'm absolutely not a health practitioner so these are layman's thoughts. With this kind of problem it often seems to boil down to usually one of about three-four things? Carpel tunnel syndrome (which is easily tested for in hospital by a little gizmo); 'other' RSI such as mine which no GP or even hospital can actually diagnose or explain, so to them it doesn't exist when it very much does; or a trapped nerve.
Contrary to what I often see posted here about the NHS, for two trapped nerves I had NHS appointments in two different parts of the country and I was 'in' within about a week, no real waiting - brilliant. Also, the treatment was so individual that I couldn't have got better if I'd paid a fortune per hour privately. On top of that, I'm certain the NHS physios helped enormously to heal the problem, when a whole variety and gamut of alternative practices couldn't - it just needed good old-fashioned treating the bones and muscles as a physical machine and fixing it -- and was nothing to do with 'energy' la-di-da.
On metaphysical causes, well everything in the universe is metaphysical in a sense, but with respect these are physical problems caused by e.g. too much typing, bad posture, or getting a trapped nerve with a sudden movement or prolonged posture.
V
Hi Venetian,
"nothing to do with 'energy' la-di-da". Interesting turn of phrase.
However, I honour your viewpoint. As none of the affected postees have responded as yet, it appears that I may be out on a limb with my views (no pun intended).
Cheers
Hello Everyone,
All very interesting and detailed. From my point of view there is an underlying metaphysical experience going on for those of you who are experiencing pain in your shoulder/arms etc. You are experiencing a burden and manifesting the pain for your individual reasons.
My belief is that what was once nothing can go back to nothing with a change of thinking pattern and thought process. Edited to add that although I am calling it RSI, I have in fact been using my laptop for ages with no ill effect until now, so your theory certainly might hold true for me.
All the best to all of you
Cheers
I can relate to that swordfish. There is stuff going on in my life that could be interpreted as a burden and I am indeed attempting to change my thinking pattern with relation to this challenging situation. However, I am also booked in to see a chiropractor next week!
xxx
I trapped a nerve in my neck two summers ago (after a long hike!) becuase the others wanted to finish with a pint for an hour in a country pub. Sitting around a table, everyone to my right were so introspected that I honestly think none spoke a single word in an hour, only listened; and all to my left were non-stop extravert chatterboxes. It's natural politeness to look at the people talking and I didn't think anything of it, but I was turned with my neck fully to my left for over an hour, my right arm awkwardly hooked over the high back of a sofa. Again, I thought nothing of it, but it's a mechanical thing and 'pop' - my neck bones popped out of alignment.
That's just my singular case, and it's hard to easily fathom anything deeper as a cause than the obvious. I wouldn't waste my time, in this particular case, in trying. "Thinking patterns" were wrong and can put the bones back? They're physical and could be manipulated - why not just ... put them back - and the physio did. 🙂
Nothing unusual in my life that lovely day, or that week, just the mistake of posture, or rather having different types of people on one side than on the other - which, no, I'm not going to even attempt to painfully squeeze out a metaphysical meaning out of that. 🙂
V
I was turned with my neck fully to my left for over an hour, my right arm awkwardly hooked over the high back of a sofa. Again, I thought nothing of it, but it's a mechanical thing and 'pop' - my neck bones popped out of alignment.
I'm not going to even attempt to painfully squeeze out a metaphysical meaning out of that. 🙂
The metaphysical meaning is obvious, V.
The Universe was telling you not to listen solely to the loud and brash, nor turn your back on them completely only to sit in quiet stillness. Rather, your soul's purpose is to look clearly straight ahead, with unhook-ed arms, and savour fully what is in front of you. That way lies satisfaction.
Hi Barafundle,
I'll have to remember to stare straight ahead into space next time! I might get more than a few odd looks (and the silent person across from me will become very uncomfortable 🙂 ), but then I won't be turned to see those odd looks, will I? 🙂
Lesson accepted.
V
I'll have to remember to stare straight ahead into space next time!
I do this all the time, and consequently have had very little trouble with my shoulders.
So we seem to have solved this thread problem? The solution isn't NHS physios, nor chiropractors, nor reiki or emotional adjustments. If we all become Zen and stare at the eternal, or maybe our noses, trapped nerves and RSI will be things of the past?
I'll have my business cards and website for this set up soon. 🙂
V
Another one with pain and numbness down the right arm, turned out it was lack of vitamin B12 compounded with misalignment of the cervical vetebrae. Yes, Swordfish, I agree with your statement, had A LOT of energy work done yesterday to get things moving and I'm convinced it's going to set the wheels in motion to a complete recovery.. for now, lots and lots of sleep..
Let me know when the sites up Venetian, I'll pay you a visit! 🙂