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Speccy Becky
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I have noticed that no one has really posted for about1 month on this subject.

I would like to know how I deal with a friend that decides he would not grass up any Islamist who decided to blow any non Islam up is okay even thought this Islamist still drinks and takes esctasy?

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MerliniaAngel
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RE: Islamic hypocracy

If this is true, then this person presents a real and present danger to society and should be reported to the authorities as soon as possible.

His/her choice of lifestyle, to be Islamic yet to drink and smoke etc., is entirely a personal choice and shouldn't come into the frame - whatever this person does other than cause harm to others is their own business.

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Speccy Becky
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RE: Islamic hypocracy

It's really difficult to tell the police about someone like this as he hasn't actually done anything to harm anyone. I don't think he would hurt anyone but I think he is prepared to let others. Difficult!

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RE: Islamic hypocracy

ORIGINAL: Speccy Becky

I would like to know how I deal with a friend that decides he would not grass up any Islamist who decided to blow any non Islam up is okay even thought this Islamist still drinks and takes esctasy?

Hi Speccy Becky, I'm in no way clued up when it comes to Islam but it sounds like your friend (or your friends friend...your post doesn't read too clear to me..sorry)is carried away with the negitive side of things & from what you say does not follow the religion to the word (drinking & taking e)..maybe he's just attracted to the hard-core hate elimant so maybe if you can remind him of this error you may manage to make him re-think his current views.
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Amy
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jonnyhotpants
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RE: Islamic hypocracy

Sounds like yet another pilock spouting in order to be contrversial. Yes it's a moral dilemma but I wouldn't worry as who would take him /her into their confidence. Nothing gabs like an Ehead.

Alternatively you could spike him with aload of acid DMT and ketamine read up some Tim Leary and reprogram him. Sorry I have a terrible sense of humour often inapproriate. (silly grin)(also inapropriate) jono.

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RE: Islamic hypocracy

So if you were to suppress your SOH, jonny, just momentarily of course, what would you suggest as a positive and constructive answer to the query? 😉

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jonnyhotpants
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I'm torn between discourse my normal route and ignoring him/her. If they are at the cusp of taking some step towards what the press call radicalization it falls to the voices of reason round about to reach out to them and in as tender a way as possible offer understanding of the oppression they are feeling and the horrific injustices currently being purpetrated against the followers of his faith in other countries.

Drug and alcohol use is often a sign of abject despare.

Suggest that there must be a peaceful course of action open. A.I. or the like.

Alternatively if this is just a prat trying to sound big and controvesial youmight onlyencourage their delusions by taking them seriously. I think passive observation is the only course. (Soon we will all be spying on each other.)

If you think they really are about to strap on paradice dob them in. Be sure though as they could wake up somwhere nasty with more than a come down.

(keep your chin up) jono

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RE: Islamic hypocracy

Thanks for a full reply jonny. I'm inclined to agree with both your suggested possible courses of action, and so perhaps this might be something SpeccyBecky could do:

Tellthefriend firmly, just once, thatyou do not agree with him not reporting a potential threat to the authorities, but without getting into a protracted argument about it.

Have a quiet word with a Crime Prevention Officer, and seek their advice.

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Sounds reasonable to me although by nature I do not use the police as the first line of recourse in any matter. Bad memories! hope it is all hot air though. jono

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RE: Islamic hypocracy

I also was going to say that if you go to any police officer - whether crime prevention or any other department - in today's climate, you can bet your bottom dollar that you are not just going to get some helpful advice. I would expect at the very least that you would be required to give the name and address of the person you had doubts about and that person would then find himself under interrogation before he could blink.

I agree with Jono - having had some bad experiences with the boys in blue - they would be my last port of call unless I was convinced that this guy really did know stuff about a terrorist cell.

However, going back to the first post, doesn't it say that he is saying that in theory if he did know something etc etc. Sounds as though he is just talking big. Is he very young and/or immature? A lot depends on who and how he is, surely.

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Speccy Becky
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RE: Islamic hypocracy

This man isabout 40. He did not just spout out this information, my boyfriend asked him would he "grass", for want of a better word, anyone that decided to plant a bomb in the name of Islam. As you can guess,the 40yearold said that he would keep quiet.

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sunanda
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RE: Islamic hypocracy

So, in fact, it is a hypothetical situation? Your boyfriend asked this guy what he would do if he knew of a plot....so I think this is a trifle misleading - the guy hasn't actually said that he does know of anything....

I'd just forget the whole subject, if this is indeed the case.

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songstress
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RE: Islamic hypocracy

Hi Beccy,

Yep, sounds like this bloke is acting big in front of his mates. Ignore him and find friends of a higher calibre with whom to socialise.

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Patsy.
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Hal
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RE: Islamic hypocracy

Hi,

Some years ago, some muslims were warning authrorities of worrying behaviour amoung other muslims. For example, fund raising for terrorist activities abroad. Alot of the warnings were ignored and not taken seriously..look where we are today.

I am sorry but the attitude of this drinking, drug taking muslim is a disgrace, it is disgusting and it is just about as good in my book as treason. intentions in Islam are almost as serious as actions.

Also in islam we are taught to respect the country in which we live and the laws there, to abide by them or leave.

I am muslim and in my opinion that man should leave or change his lifestyle and attitudes. Because of people like him, others will suffer, not only people who will suffer crimes of terorism but other innocent muslims too. This man is friend to no one, I daresay he will commit no crimes but he may well join in by bringing up some of the next generation of a diet of hatred and ignorance.

Lets hope he has no kids.

I also think it is a mistake to assume it is practising muslims or shall we say the ones who westerners think are religion crazy who commit acts of terrorism.

My opinion is actually that the trouble makers in this part of the world are often involved in drug dealing and importing. The dealers are often the ones who set up so called Islam clubs...I am afraid as far as I can see the heroin trade and the terrorism go hand in hand. I cannot see that murdering people can ever truly have anythin to do with islam.

Islam does not permit this sort of thing. islam does permit freedom of speech but you may be interested to know there is a limit on this.

it is ilegal in islam to say things that may incite hatred etc or cause harm or offence to others.

So I am afraid your mate there is breaking many islamic rules even if he is not breaking English laws.

But that brings us to the real point...freedom of speech...where is the limit? Should there be a limit? This perhaps is one of the hardest questions.

I feel from Qu'ran it is not good to silence people or shut them up but at the same time some things people say can cause immense harm and there have to be some consequences for them to take..rather than everyone else.

Hope that makes sense.

I would personally dob him in, I am disgusted by this sort of thing.

In Islam it is all about helping others, protecting the weak and vulnerable, not hurting others. Life is so important in islam, to make light of murder is to me a huge crime against humanity and islam and of any other decent organisation.

In the Qu'ran it says that if you kill someone it is as if you kiled a thousand people, but if you save a life it is as if you saved whole mankind..or something like that.

Doing a bad thing like murder is dreadful...but do something good and that is amazing.

So, I would say to you, stand up for yourself, your country, your beliefs, your honour and never tolerate an attitude that that. that man is condoning evil.

it might be that our governments in the west are not helping us much but it doesn't mean we condone it or want it. Think about it, palestine, Israel, Iraq, England, America...the list goes on...we are all arguing and fighting because that is where the powerful are keeping us.

Now, how about us civilians....we are the ones who suffer, we do their murdering and being killed...we the ordinary people have little choice in any of it..perhaps no choice coz i would stop it if i could and i know i can't..I don't believe I am alone.

Don't us ordinary people have more in common with each other from accross the world than we do with our politicians... it is them that bring us to this.

that is not islamic hypocrisy but that man being a moron...he just happens to have been born into a muslim family and he states he is muslim.&n

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