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Crowan
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Hi Crowan
In your definition of spirit, everything is spirit, so to say in one post the spirit never soul steals and in another the it rarely happens, is a contradiction.

Sorry, Paul, I don’t know where I defined spirit in this way although I would agree that it is arguable. However, ‘spirit’ is not ‘a spirit’. I have said that everything has spirit. This isn’t the same. Not everything is a spirit.
Spirits don’t (in my experience) steal souls. People stealing souls is rare. Soul loss is not rare.

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Hi Crowan

Following our conversation on the other thread, I did some online research into the shamanic teachings on soul stealing and soul loss, so I now have a better idea of what you are referring to. 🙂

As I have said before what you refer to as soul and spirit is what I understand to be consciousness, with that understanding soul stealing and soul loss are the reverse of my current understanding of the oneness of consciousnesses.

I perceive us all being complete within the fullness of self, I fully understand and have personally experienced that we can choose to ignore and/or hide aspects of self and create inner separation that will dis-empower us, this can lead to all sorts of things including the symptoms of depression, so in these situation I can see that going to find that which is hidden could be perceived as a journey and the fullness of self is vast, though that is still within the fullness of self not somewhere else outside of self.

Soul stealing is not something that I can perceive in the true sense of the words, though I see that through my research it is more in line with new age teachings of someone having power over you, rather than someone or some thing actually stealing an aspect of self and running away with it so that you can no longer can make use of it.

This again is the reverse to my current understanding in which I perceive people dis-empowering themselves, by constantly focusing upon something or someone that they judge to be wrong, or on the judgment that something or someone has wronged them, so they create an inner downward spiral that again creates all sorts of symptoms, including those that are described as depression.

I see that we can dis-empower ourselves which is often described as giving our power away, but I can't see how someone else can do that to someone else!

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Hi, I intended to reply several days ago but I was away from home and internet connection was less good that I had hoped. I'm away from tonight for a week, as well.

If you want to call spirits (and, again, I do not consider this the same as ‘spirit’) consciousness then, okay. I don’t agree that you are talking about the same thing I am, however.
I don’t think there is any point our talking about soul-stealing. I wonder why it is that aspect of soul loss that you keep coming back to. You say,

… I perceive people dis-empowering themselves, by constantly focusing upon something or someone that they judge to be wrong, or on the judgment that something or someone has wronged them, so they create an inner downward spiral that again creates all sorts of symptoms, including those that are described as depression.

I don’t argue with that. I know, because I have experience of soul retrieval, that part of the soul (or ‘a soul’ – the description differs with different cultures) actually goes. You, clearly, have not come across that. But your description is a pretty good explanation of common causes of soul loss, although there are others.

I see that we can dis-empower ourselves which is often described as giving our power away, but I can't see how someone else can do that to someone else!

And this is what happens when we have power loss. It’s not possible for someone to take power or soul without permission. But if someone does not know that they can refuse (as in a situation where a parent takes soul from a child, for example) then they give permission without ever knowing that they have done.

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