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Anyone who has worked through this books succesfully? What do you do if you can't answer the questions/visualise/imagine what the exercises are asking for?

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Is this the book by Paul McKenna? There are several publications with similar titles on the go - which one in particular are you referring to?

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Here's a link to the Paul McKenna book:

where, if it IS the one you mean, over a hundred reviews can be found, which may perhaps answer some of your questions.

If you'd care to post a little more detail about the kind of things you might be having a problem with, then I'm sure some of us may be able to be of further help.

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Is this the book by Paul McKenna? There are several publications with similar titles on the go - which one in particular are you referring to?

yes, Paul McKenna.

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Here's a link to the Paul McKenna book:

where, if it IS the one you mean, over a hundred reviews can be found, which may perhaps answer some of your questions.

If you'd care to post a little more detail about the kind of things you might be having a problem with, then I'm sure some of us may be able to be of further help.

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It is as I said. Are you familiar with the book? You are asked to visualise/imagine and remember positive things and self images. That is what I am referring to.

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If you go to the link, as recommended by Holistic, go to the bottom of the page and click on the link to all the comments. Some posters talk about what they visualised - mainly appears to be how they wanted their lives to be, not how they are at this time. Doesn't look as though many people saw changes within 7 days, but the majority seem to have improved over a couple or three weeks. Have you listened to the CD? Looks like you have to use your imagination and relax - let yourself go!

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If you go to the link, as recommended by Holistic, go to the bottom of the page and click on the link to all the comments. Some posters talk about what they visualised - mainly appears to be how they wanted their lives to be, not how they are at this time. Doesn't look as though many people saw changes within 7 days, but the majority seem to have improved over a couple or three weeks. Have you listened to the CD? Looks like you have to use your imagination and relax - let yourself go!

that is the point of the visualation; not to imagine your life as it is.

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I've read the link, thanks. But it doesn't address the problem. Some of the exercises set up or require conditions that are extremely difficult for me to visualise.

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It is as I said. Are you familiar with the book? You are asked to visualise/imagine and remember positive things and self images. That is what I am referring to.

I haven't read the book but I am, of course, familiar with the concept. I have also read what you originally posted.

I've read the link, thanks. But it doesn't address the problem. Some of the exercises set up or require conditions that are extremely difficult for me to visualise.

In post #3 here I suggested:

If you'd care to post a little more detail about the kind of things you might be having a problem with, then I'm sure some of us may be able to be of further help.

So, perhaps you'd like to share a little more about these exercises, and about the problems you're having with them, but only if you feel comfortable doing so, of course, bearing in mind this is a public forum. And what are these 'conditions' to which you refer? :confused:

If you'd respond to suggestions to give us something more to go on, we can take it from there πŸ™‚

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I did share more about the exercises. I'm not in a position to quote the book since that will take ages. The exercises revolve around visualising more confidence for example, remembering certain things that I can't, visualising an idealised self to merge with. I find these difficult and the book gives no advice how to deal with such difficulties.

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I just spoke to a friend who has done this programme, and he said that he didn't really understand what bits of it were about until he had gone through it half a dozen times, and even then, if he were honest, he glossed over some bits as being irrelevant to his life experience. It took him about two weeks to decide that some aspects of his life were improving, and that stuff that had narked him previously were no longer a problem. Maybe you don't need to take the advice that McKenna gives 'verbatim' but adapt it to suit.

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Maybe you don't need to take the advice that
McKenna gives 'verbatim' but adapt it to suit.

Well that's the question! πŸ™‚

Without the author to hand it's just people's interpretations. It's entirely possible there is a subtle subtext that's the real gist of what the exercise is trying to achieve, but i'd rather know I'm doing it properly than interpret things my way and lead to possible disappointment.

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Hmm, difficult isn't it?
So what are you going to do bloke?

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Hmm, difficult isn't it?
So what are you going to do bloke?

I detect a subtext to your post. Could you bring that out into the open please?

Have you read the book and worked through the exercises? If so do you understand the problem i am raising. Again, if so, do you have any advice?

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Hi Bloke

"Without the author to hand it's just people's interpretations. It's entirely possible there is a subtle subtext that's the real gist of what the exercise is trying to achieve, but i'd rather know I'm doing it properly than interpret things my way and lead to possible disappointment."

I have some advice πŸ™‚

Funny thing about life, it sometimes has its disappointments. Other times, in a different frame of mind, disappointments can be learning curves, or opportunities to reflect and try something different next time. Or maybe they are plain old disappointments - hey ho!

You also make a reference to 'doing it properly' and I'm not sure what that means. Undertaking any kind of change isn't a matter of doing it properly, it's more about keeping an open mind, being open to any result, and having the willingness to try come what may.

If you think there's no point in that, then maybe, for you, right now, you're right, there's no point. What if I feel worse or suffer from not having done it properly? That's OK, no-one died from feeling temporarily worse, and having survived the feeling, you can go on to try something else. You get to live another day. So what's to lose?

It seems you are looking for a fail safe route to being/feeling OK? And at times (no subtext here), the tone of your posts, seem to suggest that other people need to provide the answers, that everyone is somehow frustrating you by not supplying the answers/insight/information you need. It's not up to other people. It's up to you. There's a world of difference between asking advice, and responding to what is given with grace, and having expectations that other people can't possibly fulfil no matter how many words of advice, guidance or experience they share with you.

If that is your thinking, then chances are you probably will end up disappointed. In real life, there's no such thing as a fail safe route to feeling OK. All there is, is putting your best foot forward, taking courage, and giving it a try. That's all everyone else does.

So, why don't you give some of the exercises a try and see what happens? And then it won't be other people's interpretations, it will be your lived experience of having tried something. Nothing, but nothing replaces experiental learning, and no matter how much feedback you get from anyone on here, that's their experience not yours. The only way out is through as they say.

And finally! If Mckenna's visualisations are not for you right now (and it certainly sounds like a struggle), read another book! πŸ™‚ The world is full of them, thankfully. If, right now, you aren't in the frame of mind for changing your life in 7 days, try something gentler.

Best wishes in whatever you do

Elodie

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A suggestion for you bloke, perhaps you might be better off with visual instructions in the form of video/DVD format- see if youtube has any paul mckenna videos or visualisation techniques as I find watching instructions makes it so much better to understand. πŸ™‚

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What a well written post Elodie - very well expressed (well - in my interpretation it is!)

Some useful comments in it bloke - good luck...

Celia

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Well done Elodie, an eloquent and meaningful post. All I could think to say was, just try it- just do it. You explained it in a much more helpful way! Hom

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Hi Bloke

"Without the author to hand it's just people's interpretations. It's entirely possible there is a subtle subtext that's the real gist of what the exercise is trying to achieve, but i'd rather know I'm doing it properly than interpret things my way and lead to possible disappointment."

I have some advice πŸ™‚

Funny thing about life, it sometimes has its disappointments. Other times, in a different frame of mind, disappointments can be learning curves, or opportunities to reflect and try something different next time. Or maybe they are plain old disappointments - hey ho!

You also make a reference to 'doing it properly' and I'm not sure what that means. Undertaking any kind of change isn't a matter of doing it properly, it's more about keeping an open mind, being open to any result, and having the willingness to try come what may.

If you think there's no point in that, then maybe, for you, right now, you're right, there's no point. What if I feel worse or suffer from not having done it properly? That's OK, no-one died from feeling temporarily worse, and having survived the feeling, you can go on to try something else. You get to live another day. So what's to lose?

It seems you are looking for a fail safe route to being/feeling OK? And at times (no subtext here), the tone of your posts, seem to suggest that other people need to provide the answers, that everyone is somehow frustrating you by not supplying the answers/insight/information you need. It's not up to other people. It's up to you. There's a world of difference between asking advice, and responding to what is given with grace, and having expectations that other people can't possibly fulfil no matter how many words of advice, guidance or experience they share with you.

If that is your thinking, then chances are you probably will end up disappointed. In real life, there's no such thing as a fail safe route to feeling OK. All there is, is putting your best foot forward, taking courage, and giving it a try. That's all everyone else does.

So, why don't you give some of the exercises a try and see what happens? And then it won't be other people's interpretations, it will be your lived experience of having tried something. Nothing, but nothing replaces experiental learning, and no matter how much feedback you get from anyone on here, that's their experience not yours. The only way out is through as they say.

And finally! If Mckenna's visualisations are not for you right now (and it certainly sounds like a struggle), read another book! πŸ™‚ The world is full of them, thankfully. If, right now, you aren't in the frame of mind for changing your life in 7 days, try something gentler.

Best wishes in whatever you do

Elodie

I'm at a complete loss to understand the point you are making.

I have tried the exercises. That's the whole point. In trying them I find some difficult to do. Consequently I have asked, of the people here familiar with the book, if they can provide some advice as to how to deal with this. I'm sure others have had similar difficulties. It seems to me that you are not familiar with the book as you seem not to understand what I'm asking, which is a very simple question.

I really don't understand, in the context of my question, what you are trying to say.

I am not asking for other people's interpretations of anything. I know exactly what the exercises are asking. That is absolutely not the point at all; the point is that what the exercise requires is not easy to do.

I don't really feel comfortable quoting whole chunks of the book, but one of the exercies requires imaging you are full of confidence or remembering a time where you felt really good. The purpose is to merge with that visualisation to internalise the feeling (which you are then able to call upon later with a physical cue). The problem isn't understanding or interpreting (or using other people's interpretations) this exercise; it's imagining that level of confidence/remembering.

So the question is, to the people (if any) that have worked through this book, how to deal with these difficulties. With respect, if you aren't familiar with the book, please think about what you are contributing before you respond.

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The problem isn't understanding or interpreting (or using other people's interpretations) this exercise; it's imagining that level of confidence/remembering.

Do you mean that you have never actually felt confident and therefore it is impossible for you to remember what it's like or that you have felt confident but find it difficult to recall what it felt like?

I am familiar with the book.

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Do you mean that you have never actually felt confident and therefore it is impossible for you to remember what it's like or that you have felt confident but find it difficult to recall what it felt like?

I am familiar with the book.

the latter.

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OK. Are you trying specfically to visualise what it is like to be confident. In other words are you trying to SEE what you would look like if you are confident or SEE what might be happening (that may be over simplifying it but you probably know what I mean).

Do you find that difficult? If yes, then I can empathise. I am not visual either. I find visualisations difficult because I cannot SEE what it would be like. But can you HEAR what you might say if you were confident, or what others might be saying about you. Or can you FEEL what it might be like - emotionally, or even literally - what might you be wearing, tasting, smelling? Anything, no matter how small could be the hook to get you into that experience. If you can't visualise, then don't struggle with it. Try another modality.

Is that what you mean by finding it difficult?

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i refer, in this example, to the exercise on p.86

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OK. So the exercise instructs you to "Remember a time when.....". So, you start remembering and..... what happens then? When do you get stuck and how?

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What happens is i don't remember anything.

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I'm going to PM you.

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thenks for the reply, but please respond here.

I don't have trouble remebering things in general at all.

When i try to imagine i have no reference point to work from. Really it's the same question. Imagining something draws on experience and memory just the same. But without that memory there is no emotional charge, no positivity which is the purpose of the exercise.

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As you don't have a general problem with recall, I wonder what it is about this particular memory that you are finding difficult? What does it feel like when nothing happens? What does nothing feel like for you? Is there really no reference point for you? There will have been times in the past when you have felt confident, so what do you think is stopping you from recalling them, if you can remember other things? These may be useful questions for you to consider (or not). Do you have trouble remembering a time when you felt "happy" for example? If not, then go with this one in stead. Happiness is positive. What did you feel like this morning? Were you happy then? Confident? If you were, then use that memory - it doesn't have to be a memory from long ago, anything profound. It could be a very brief snapshot.

Does that work?

Sometimes, however, you just have to try something else.
The purpose of the exercise is to create a positive state. Alright - but this is not the only exercise in the world that can help you do this. You are struggling with hooking into a memory of being confident. Well, then I concur with other suggestions that you try something else or read another book.

I know that isn't the help you are hoping for, but I truly believe it would be the most helpful thing for you to do. You can't summon up a memory - well then you can't force it. Try something else. This is doing the exact opposite of creating a positive state for you. It is causing you to be frustrated.

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you are over analysing this. it's no different than not remembering anything else. We don't all have eidetic memories.

i am not aware of any other exercises of this nature.

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you are over analysing this. it's no different than not remembering anything else. We don't all have eidetic memories.

i am not aware of any other exercises of this nature.

Hey Bloke.........are you jesting with us.......;)......are you on a massive wind up :011:

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