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Old 4th May 2012, 09:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Have been thinking a lot just recently about what it means to be 'Free' and what really is 'Freedom.' And I thought it might make an interesting topic of conversation. So, if you have a 'free' moment, let me know what you think
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Hi Derek

Good question. For me trying to live each moment as it is, not how my mind or my memories want to perceive it. Living from the true me (minus all the stories I've made up about me and people and situations blah blah blah) in the true now. Then I feel light and free. Very much work in progress... this chink is just shining through! More please. Would love to know what others think and how they have achieved it, thanks for that question Derek.

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Have been thinking a lot just recently about what it means to be 'Free' and what really is 'Freedom.' And I thought it might make an interesting topic of conversation. So, if you have a 'free' moment, let me know what you think
Hi Derek ,

I'd like to know what to be 'Free' and 'Freedom' means to you?
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'Freedom' was yesterday afternoon, when the sun was so warm and the day so beautiful.

I took my trusty old bicycle and cycled along a quiet single track road to my private (river) swimming pool. It's always quiet, although a few people know about it. It's also quite a distance from footpaths - freedom to skinny dip in the sunshine.

Wonderful. I had the time, I had the opportunity, no one stopped me - my daily dose of freedom.

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Whole books have been written about this question alone. Mainly, it seems, they highlight that we cannot be free as long as that freedom depends on outer circumstances, as then we will always be hooked to them in some way.

True freedom, therefore, would mean freedom from our social conditioning, our self-image and our view of the world.
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Good question Derek (PM me if you'd like this thread moved to the Philosophy forum as I think that would be a more suitable place).

Certainly there can be any number of possible answers given to it, and many of them may be saying the same thing just using different terminology from different philosophical ideas.

Off the top of my head I will say...

Freedom is having no attachment to anything, and if you do have attachment to things, not letting that worry you, but just being aware of it so that you can look to be free of it when the time is right.

(or more simply put, freedom is Living in the Now)



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'Freedom' was yesterday afternoon, when the sun was so warm and the day so beautiful.

I took my trusty old bicycle and cycled along a quiet single track road to my private (river) swimming pool. It's always quiet, although a few people know about it. It's also quite a distance from footpaths - freedom to skinny dip in the sunshine.

Wonderful. I had the time, I had the opportunity, no one stopped me - my daily dose of freedom.
That sounds amazing Alison - but to me this isn't True Freedom because it's constrained by time and physicality and conditions : If the weather isn't sunny and warm - do you still go to your pool? If not then it isn't your daily dose of freedom. If your bike got a puncture on the way there... would you be happy about that?
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True freedom, therefore, would mean freedom from our social conditioning, our self-image and our view of the world.
How does one go about attain freedom from social conditioning, self-image and view of the world?
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Good question Derek (PM me if you'd like this thread moved to the Philosophy forum as I think that would be a more suitable place).

Certainly there can be any number of possible answers given to it, and many of them may be saying the same thing just using different terminology from different philosophical ideas.

Off the top of my head I will say...

Freedom is having no attachment to anything, and if you do have attachment to things, not letting that worry you, but just being aware of it so that you can look to be free of it when the time is right.

(or more simply put, freedom is Living in the Now)



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All of that make sense Giles - do you mind if I ask, do you feel Free? Would you say that you are Free?
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Hi .

One is free I would say when one is pure . Pure of intent, thought and pure in action .

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That sounds amazing Alison - but to me this isn't True Freedom because it's constrained by time and physicality and conditions : If the weather isn't sunny and warm - do you still go to your pool? If not then it isn't your daily dose of freedom. If your bike got a puncture on the way there... would you be happy about that?
No, I probably wouldn't be happy with a puncture! Although it wouldn't be the end of the world.

I take your point - I think I just seized the moment to express the feeling of freedom. I'd have to spend a bit more time thinking to get into the philosophy of freedom.
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No, I probably wouldn't be happy with a puncture! Although it wouldn't be the end of the world.

I take your point - I think I just seized the moment to express the feeling of freedom. I'd have to spend a bit more time thinking to get into the philosophy of freedom.
Well - Thanks for seizing the opportunity ~ it really does sound amazing. I would ask for a grid reference for your pool, but I expect you would want to keep it all to yourself - and no wonder!
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One is free I would say when one is pure . Pure of intent, thought and pure in action .

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And how does one attain purity, daz?
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Hi Daz

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And how would you define the reverse of being impure.?
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Hi W.S.

A good start is to strengthen one's strengths and weaken one's weaknesses .

Our conscience is a good yard stick to have and to use in regards to what sits well within one's self .

Of course there are many aspects of self that lie dormant or that one denies but self enquiry brings all to the surface of one's mind that needs resolving . . All of one's so called guilts, resentments etc that have muddied the waters so to speak .

Any thought or any action made carries a vibration . If the thought / action was of pure intent then one's vibration becomes purer for use of a better word .

What lies at the heart of an individual is expressed outwardly I would say so what is pure within is pure without .

There are many ways to purify self on many levels from one's diet to practicing yoga to being of service to mankind .. There is much to add to the pot .

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And how would you define the reverse of being impure.?
Pure...?


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Hi Daz

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One is free I would say when one is pure . Pure of intent, thought and pure in action .
If one is free of all aspects of one's individual mind that hinders one from self love then one is pure .

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If one is free of all aspects of one's individual mind that hinders one from self love then one is pure .
I understand that self acceptance in an open and nonjudgmental way will free someone from their self imposed bounds.

I think the problem with equating freedom with purity and self love is that it brings judgement into the equation, unfortunately judgement always binds and restricts, judgement and freedom are total opposites.

Do you not think it is possible for a mass murderer to love themselves completely, whilst at the same time perceiving their actions as being one of the purest actions that a human being can make?
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Hi W.S.

A good start is to strengthen one's strengths and weaken one's weaknesses .

Our conscience is a good yard stick to have and to use in regards to what sits well within one's self .

Of course there are many aspects of self that lie dormant or that one denies but self enquiry brings all to the surface of one's mind that needs resolving . . All of one's so called guilts, resentments etc that have muddied the waters so to speak .

Any thought or any action made carries a vibration . If the thought / action was of pure intent then one's vibration becomes purer for use of a better word .

What lies at the heart of an individual is expressed outwardly I would say so what is pure within is pure without .

There are many ways to purify self on many levels from one's diet to practicing yoga to being of service to mankind .. There is much to add to the pot .

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Yes, so I've heard - thanks for the response!
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I understand that self acceptance in an open and nonjudgmental way will free someone from their self imposed bounds.

I think the problem with equating freedom with purity and self love is that it brings judgement into the equation, unfortunately judgement always binds and restricts, judgement and freedom are total opposites.

Do you not think it is possible for a mass murderer to love themselves completely, whilst at the same time perceiving their actions as being one of the purest actions that a human being can make?
Hi Paul .

It is possible for anyone to self love . There is a process that one will endure I would say . Perhaps it is highly unlikely that one can self love in an instant unless one has resolved all energies that relate to one's mindful experiences .

You mention that acceptance in an open and nonjudgmental way will free someone from their self imposed bounds.

So are you saying that if one accepts that they are a mass murderer then they are free from one's bounds that tie them to one's actions ? If one accepts their weaknesses for example does one remain with their weaknesses . .

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