I would be really grateful for your advice!!
I want to learn NLP with a view to first practice privately and then run my own training courses.
These are the three training companies I have looked at and wondered if you have any knowledge of them and what you think of them:
Paul McKenna & Richard Bandler
I've been told that once I quallify I can charge £300-£400 per hour and it will be an advantage to say I trained with McKenna and Bandler because of their high profile. The total training will be about £6600 and that's with a discount because I'm planning to do all three levels. Am tempted but....!! Are you only allowed to open a training centre if you have trained with Dr Bandler yourself??? In theory can ANYONE set themselves up as an NLP practioner and trainer or do you have to be 'licensed' by Dr Bandler or another governing body?
would cost about £4300 for the three levels. Anyone know anything about this one?
I meet many therapists who have had NLP training, even by McKenna & Bandler, who are struggling to get work.
Very recently, I got a student who never even had the luxury of this training, but I know that she will do very well. Why? Because she was asking questions about her business plan, how to obtain premises, how to equip the premises, how to get clients to return and refer others, costs of setting up, ongoing costs, which bank is best for a business account, how to get a card terminal, and so on.
Making the £300+ mark requires a good PR agent (at least about £500 a month) or that you get good at doing your own PR (in-between the many client treatments), as well as being easily accessible to the people that actually have that kind of money to spend.
So in a nutshell, I would certainly spend the £6600 if I had it, but I would do the business side first if I wanted a good return on my investment. If your main interest is personal development, then there's no need to justify that with earnings, because you are invaluable.
Money ;-) Lexio - I hope you have seen my reply to your post about training in a separate bit of this website?
I know of people who charge those rates and more - look at what an emergency plumber charges - I would say that the type of work I do and many others do is assiting someone to do more than fix their toilet ;-) We assist them to fix their lives!
Plus, I like to look at it as more of an investment than a price - so I often ask - what is it worth to have the problem disappear - my clients will say priceless OR 3 million pounds ;-) Ofcourse, in my experience, my clients get their lives back, their health back, their depression stops and so on - so the results are pricesless AND when they work with me they get many different skills and my experience working at once
So yes it is about skills, congruence, experience and quality of results and the bigger invetment in both time and money - the better results people get - because the harder they work and more they value it ;-p)
Thanks to everyone.
Some brilliant points raised here. I got the distinct impression when I was talking to the 'bookings' guy at for the Paul McKenna course that I was being subjected to the hard sell and that he was in fact on some kind of commission. I can't help finding this a bit off putting because if he's on commission he's going to promise the world!!
When I ummed and aahed over the price to see what he'd say he made a big deal out of giving me a discount 'just for you...' yawn yawn!!... and I get the impression that if I ummed and aahed a bit more he might give me a bit more discount. It just makes me more wary than if I was dealing with someone who just said 'look, this is the price; end of'.
I can pay £6600 if it needs it but if I can get to my destination spending considerably less then of course that's what I prefer to do!!
I did the NLP Practitioner and then Master Practitioner with PPD and afterwards I did the Trainer's Trainer with McKenna & Bandler.
PPD is more academic than McKenna / Bandler. The latter use a more esoteric way of teaching you.
I am happy that I learnt the way I did, as if I started with Bandler rather than finish, I am not sure I'd have got as far as I have. That is not meant as a negative even though it may come across that way.
I agree wholheartedly with Dez (as usual) in that it matters not what you have done course wise, it matters on how much you can use it to help others get through their issues effectively.
I also agree with Suzanne (again, as usual. Boy we have some great people here don't we?) that a business plan will greatly assist you.
To be honest i would say it depends what your looking to get out of it.
I myself am a hypnotherapist and reiki master, so i am a therapist and healer. When i went on the course one of the first things that was said by the trainer was that this wasnt a course for therapist, or something along those lines, and there was some joke made about people who do things like reiki etc... for me i feel the course is more aimed at business people, mainly because that is the only experience the main trainer has, that and executive coaching...
I dont feel totally like i'm getting enough out of it, as because its aimed at people who are doing it subtly in business etc, it doesnt teach you how to use it properly in therapy.
however, if you are already some kind of therapist, you can pretty much work it out for yourself, but for me i just feel like it is all there.
There is a lot of practical activity, but i dont really feel the main trainer is very clear in what she is teaching... but maybe it's just me. Also i have read a lot about NLP and so alot of it isnt new to me. Having to pick a course again, knowing what i know now, i dont think i would pick this one....
However, maybe it'll be great for you as a lot of people on the course are really enjoying it.. It isvery professional and organised.
i think it comes down to your preference.
Thanks again everyone for your brilliant and helpful responses.
I am a trained hypnotheriapist but don't practice it although I haven't completely ruled it out.
If I do ever do the McKenna/Bandler course it will be at a later date. I'll be doing my initial training with someone else although still haven't decided who.
I've been guilty in the past of falling for the 'flashy' options when choosing where to spend my money and later regretting it realising that I could have got as good or even better without making such a huge dent in my bank balance!!
I have now learnt to take my time before making the leap...hence my questions!!
I think with regards to the books and stuff - it woudl depend on your intention - I am sure that someone say who had attended a hypno course for example and then wanted to add some NLP skills but not do a course woudl gain great skills to add to their hypno skills which is fantastic!!! and I do think that if we want to go and work with peopel it is important to be trained in an environment where we have been watched succesfuly doing the exercises/ getting feedback and so on - so we know that we can do it and so go and make it work!. My certificates are recognised by the ABH, ABNLP, ATLT and ANLP which mans that I am accreited by these bodies - which is great - but I am not sure if one HAS to join to practice?
I would suggest that you look at what each training provider has to offer and if they are walking the talk of NLP. There are a lot of companies out there offering NLP training, some with a hypnosis segment bolted on, some with home study, some with x number of directed learning hours. There also seems to be a lot of organisations who are entirely sales driven, as I am sure that you have encountered. Before I did my NLP training I trained in hypnosis and did about 320 hours of directed learning (in the classroom) + one-to-one supervised sessions and written assignments followed by examinations at the end of each module. After that I knew that I had earnedthe right to be call myself a "hypnotherapist". And at no time did I feel that I was being given the hard sell.
I believe that it should be the same with NLP, less hard sell and more congruency.
I did my training with Bandler/McKenna/Neill and it was brilliant (in fact, I'm going back to to the Master Prac. in a couple of weeks). I come from an academic background so at first I was a little wary of their methods. I decided to go with it and open myself to a whole new way of learning, and I'm glad I did. It's possible to make NLP incredibly complicated ~ while most of the techniques are, in fact, easy to get started with. Then, as has already been pointed out, it's a question of using them ... reading heaps and associating with like-minded people.
The hard sell from Paul McKenna Training (and others)? Well, yes, that can happen, so see past that and look at what your desired outcome is.
Which brings me to charging. I think there are some self-limiting beliefs here! Yes, it's possible to use the mindset that marketing/finding clients/charging is difficult ... or you can believe that what you are offering will change your client's life, so how much is that worth to the client? Believe that you'll never earn more than £30 and hour and you'll earn ... £30 per hour!
If you want to run a successful practice, listen to how that hard sell works, see how people market and sell themselves, and apply your learnings to your practice.
Go for it (really go for it) ... visualise ... set goals and take action ... and let us know how successful you are.