"You're not sick; you're thirsty. Don't treat thirst with medication." Dr. F. Batmang
Hi Everyone,
Apologies if The Water Cure has already made an appearance on HP, but anyone who has never come across Dr F. Batmang who advocates "the natural healing power of water" may find these resources interesting reading.
According to Dr F Batmang; "It Is Unintentional Chronic Dehydration That Causes Pain and Disease.." this isn't just about your 8 glasses a day, apparently sea salt comes into the equation. See what you make of it...
High cholesterol levels are an indicator of early drought management by the body. Cholesterol is a clay-like material that is poured in the gaps of some cell membranes to safeguard them against losing their vital water content to the osmotically more powerful blood circulating in their vicinity. Cholesterol, apart from being used to manufacture nerve cell membranes and hormones, is also used as a "shield" against water taxation of other vital cells that would normally exchange water through their cell membranes.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Water and salt prevent and helps to cure asthma.
Asthma, which also affects 14 million children and kills several thousand of them every year, is a complication of dehydration in the body. It is caused by the drought management programs of the body. In asthma free passage of air is obstructed so that water does not leave the body in the form of vapor - the winter steam. Increased water intake will prevent asthma attacks. Asthmatics need also to take more salt to break the mucus plugs in the lungs that obstruct the free flow of air in and out of the air sacs.
Not recognizing asthma as the indicator of dehydration in the body of a growing child not only will sentence many thousands of children to die every year, but will permit irreversible genetic damage to establish in the remaining 14 million asthmatic children.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Water prevents and helps to cure high blood pressure.
Hypertension is a state of adaptation of the body to a generalized drought, when there is not enough water to fill all the blood vessels that diffuse water into vital cells. As part of the mechanism of reverse osmosis, when water from the blood serum is filtered and injected into important cells through minute holes in their membranes, extra pressure is needed for the "injection process." Just as we inject I.V. "water" in hospitals, so the body injects water into tens of trillions of cells all at the same time. Water and some salt intake will bring blood pressure back to normal!
Not recognizing hypertension as one of the major indicators of dehydration in the human body, and treating it with diuretics that further dehydrate the body will, in time, cause blockage by cholesterol of the heart arteries and the arteries that go to the brain. It will cause heart attacks and small or massive strokes that paralyze. It will eventually cause kidney disease. It will cause brain damage and neurological disorders, such as Alzheimer's disease.
I have a major problem with this, salt is a well known cause for an INCREASE in blood pressure as well as pushing more water through your system will put an increased strain your kidneys and especially your heart, which will in turn, increase your blood pressure. Attemting to drink away a problem will only flush good minerals and water soluble vitamins out of your body quicker.
I have a major problem with this, salt is a well known cause for an INCREASE in blood pressure as well as pushing more water through your system will put an increased strain your kidneys and especially your heart, which will in turn, increase your blood pressure. Attemting to drink away a problem will only flush good minerals and water soluble vitamins out of your body quicker.
Hi Finalshine (like the new avatar),
I'd suggest you put your 18 years research right there on the table next Dr F. Batmangs - then everyone can make an informed descision and draw a conclusion for themselves...
Oh of course, next time someones blood pressure is crashing and the registrars are about to put a sodium drip up to boost it. I'll say "No wait! Dr F. Batmang has 18 years experience and it'll just cause their BP to drop further"
I forgot one "Doctor's" experience overrides the entire health care system we work with today.
I did read "The Body's Many Cries for Water" quite some time ago. I do remember when reading it that there was a lot of commonsense and how many people overly quote the good doctor for their quasi-religious watery zeal and intentions, often way out of context.
There's no doubt that the body needs proper hydration, it's a biological fact. But this guzzeling(sp) of mountains of water is just another imbalance to replace previous imbalances. Considering how much water can be obtained from food, I do question this obsession of drinking lots of water. And if you can't get most of your water from your food, then this suggests that people's dietary is wrong.
This obsession about water is just another whimsical grasp at a life-style, and meanwhile mountains of plastic bottles are unnecessarily piling up. Not forgetting that chemicals such as xeno-oestrogens leaking into the bottled water. No wonder the sperm count is going down!!
This is industry-led B_S_. Don't buy into it. We need to go back to public drinking water fountains.
Going back to the subject of imbalance. Too much water can cause problems. watering down the electrolyte balance, and overloading the kidneys and bowels. I can see the sense of using water for various therapeutics, but the general over consumption of water isn't going to flush the toxins out anymore, but just going to flush the toilet
Unfortunately complementary healthcare has it's share of cranks and misinformation. When it comes to the human body: look how our ancestors thrive, look at the modern biology, use bit of commonsense. The body is constantly self-cleansing and self-healing biological system. Just needs a helping hand occasionally - whether complementary or allopathic.
For a view on the Water Cure from a scientific point of view, do a search on the 'Quackwatch' website. (Someone clever than me might be able to work out how to post a link direct to the site.)
Before everyone starts jumping on Dr Batmanghelidj as if he's some sort of duluded quack, it helps if you've actually read his information or listened to his lecture.
He's not saying, like some 'alternative' therapists say that we should drink 5+ litres of water a day; instead he's been looking at the ailments of many people and finding that a lot can be put down to the simple fact that people just are dehydrated, in that they aren't taking in enough water through their drinking and foods etc. what with the changing society and way we eat nowadays.
For many people, drinking more water would be beneficial, including getting their kidneys flushed out some more (reducing risk of kidney stones etc.), but of course it shouldn't be just done without properly understanding or without the supervision of a doctor, especially if you have a known serious condition, such as blood pressure problems etc.
As for quackwatch... well, according to them, anything that doesn't have a mathematical forumula or meet the peer review of old croney medical establishmentists, must be quack. Closed minded science at it's best.
There's no doubt that drinking the recommended daily amount of fluids is a definite benefit to the system but encouraging a salt increase, is frankly dangerous advice.
For myself i only became aware that i have been dehydrated for about 5-6 years . Sounds crazy that one wouldn't know . I drink plenty of water and yet that makes the problem worse if one is not replacing the essential salts . I lost so much salt as i run daily and work out every other day .
My diet has minimal salt added to the food so i was not only depleted but also starved from salt .
So my story so to speak allows me to understand the thread in regards to the importance of salt in ones diet .
I would say the salt mentioned is the iodized rock sea salt and not the table salt crap .
I would say that the rock salt is most beneficial . The dr . mentions that the salt and water ratio has to be correct, it is not suggesting to stuff one's self full of salt .
It wasn't long ago that doctors were suggesting for us all to have a low fat diet (lol) . Well many are now thinking that a full fat diet (in moderation) is better for you than the low fat -semi skimmed rubbish and such likes as margarine . (lol) .
I think its best to get to know your own bodies and research . I would say the nutritionists know more about whats what than the mainstream doctors . That's just my perception .
For myself i only became aware that i have been dehydrated for about 5-6 years . Sounds crazy that one wouldn't know . I drink plenty of water and yet that makes the problem worse if one is not replacing the essential salts . I lost so much salt as i run daily and work out every other day .
Drinking too much water disturbs the electrolyte balance as I mentioned earlier. Obviously for you, your lifestyle needed a better electrolyte balance.
My diet has minimal salt added to the food so i was not only depleted but also starved from salt.
I think that we (as a society) have become so disconnected with mother nature and our own personal nature that imbalances are hard to avoid. Glad you found the solution to your problems.
So my story so to speak allows me to understand the thread in regards to the importance of salt in ones diet .
I would say the salt mentioned is the iodized rock sea salt and not the table salt crap .
I would say that the rock salt is most beneficial . The dr . mentions that the salt and water ratio has to be correct, it is not suggesting to stuff one's self full of salt .
Different individuals have different needs. Using the Ayurvedic paradigm for example, those with a VATA (ectomorph) bio-type have a greater need for mineral salts.
It wasn't long ago that doctors were suggesting for us all to have a low fat diet (lol) . Well many are now thinking that a full fat diet (in moderation) is better for you than the low fat -semi skimmed rubbish and such likes as margarine . (lol) .
I think its best to get to know your own bodies and research . I would say the nutritionists know more about whats what than the mainstream doctors . That's just my perception .
True, many doctors have very little nutritional knowledge.
There's no doubt that drinking the recommended daily amount of fluids is a definite benefit to the system but encouraging a salt increase, is frankly dangerous advice.
But conversely we have the government campaigns telling people to cut down on their salt etc. etc.
I know someone personally who reduced salt as much as possible from their diet because it was the 'healthy' thing to do. This person also did a lot of cycling to work and back as was very physically active, and they drank plenty of fluids. They ended up in hospital after collapsing and it was determined that they didn't have enough salt in their body because their exercise and fluid intake was leeching it all out of them.
So, if people are dehydrated and they are being told to increase their fluid levels, it also makes sense to ensure they keep their salt levels up as well. It's not referring to people who eat badly and don't consider what they're doing (there's plenty of people already doing that), but to those who want to take an active interest in getting the balance of their body right.
There's dangers in advise from all sorts of 'experts' if people go ahead and do it without understanding it.
Oh of course, next time someones blood pressure is crashing and the registrars are about to put a sodium drip up to boost it. I'll say "No wait! Dr F. Batmang has 18 years experience and it'll just cause their BP to drop further"
I forgot one "Doctor's" experience overrides the entire health care system we work with today.
Ohh Please, Finalshine - You should start up a few threads about any aspect of the health care system, that would most definately make interesting reading - garner the opinion of both sides of 'the system' workers and patients. Not that I am especially knocking the health care system - but blind loyalty for your primary career path and employers dosen't really carry much weight as a counter argument.
One doctor's experience and the many people who have benefitted from his methods. Btw, not sure why you've used quotation marks when refering to him as a Doctor, he trained at St Mary's.
I think Giles has already pointed out (sorry if you haven't)... Batmang isn't suggesting that anyone start guzzling huge amount of salt. And as Daz has already pointed out, Batmang isn't talking about refined table salt. He's talking about sea salt crystals (!!!As a side note, google Himalayan Salt Crystals).
ReikiPixie, Batmang isn't saying that this is as simple as 8 glasses a day, he does state that it is possible to drink too much water. Also, the addition of sea salt (a tiny amount : please read up on the details, any casual browsers of this thread) is what makes the difference (he goes into detail about Osmosis) - and even then for the treatment of specific diseases, the method isn't a simple question of drinking saline solution, if the furthest most 'drought ridden' areas of the body are to be reached and rehydrated.
Crowan & Jabba Hut - you know anyone could be labelled as a quack (Crowan, I'm sure there are a few people who would eagerly label Shaman's as quacks), smear campagains can be started... people have to make up there own minds going of whatever information is to hand.. or they could just listen to the gossip - the choice is, of course, down to the individual.
I know someone personally who reduced salt as much as possible from their diet because it was the 'healthy' thing to do. This person also did a lot of cycling to work and back as was very physically active, and they drank plenty of fluids. They ended up in hospital after collapsing and it was determined that they didn't have enough salt in their body because their exercise and fluid intake was leeching it all out of them.
So, if people are dehydrated and they are being told to increase their fluid levels, it also makes sense to ensure they keep their salt levels up as well. It's not referring to people who eat badly and don't consider what they're doing (there's plenty of people already doing that), but to those who want to take an active interest in getting the balance of their body right.
Good point about the physical excercise, Batmang mentions this very point... it would be interesting to know what information the Sports people around the forums have on the content of Sports Drinks and the reccomended intake during increased activity..
Yes the body needs salt, the sodium calcium channels are essentially what IS the bioelectrical energy system. People misunderstand the vast difference between adding a bit of table salt to their food or taking a recommended diet of sodium, potassium, calcium and magnesium. They're the salts we should be striving for so of course if a person is cutting down on these, they're bound to faint, have cramps and even cause neurological damage. The same with having too much of these, the bioelectrical systems can't work effectively with the salts out of balance, just as all living systems have parameters to work in.
you know anyone could be labelled as a quack (Crowan, I'm sure there are a few people who would eagerly label Shaman's as quacks), smear campagains can be started... people have to make up there own minds going of whatever information is to hand.. or they could just listen to the gossip - the choice is, of course, down to the individual.
I didn't say he was a quack. I said 'Quackwatch' had an interesting article. Isn't it necessary for people to read all sides of an argument if they are going to be capable of making up their own minds?
I don’t often get called a quack – the word is usually ‘charlatan’, or sometimes, ‘crazy’. We all have differing views about what works and what doesn’t.
I think one needs to take each case on it's merits. I can quite believe that patients in a gaol in Iraq that many well be dehydated and malnourished which will undoubtedly upset their electrolyte balance, so by giving them extra fluid and mineral salts it could help make them better. In the Western situation, there are those who eat mindlessly, drink the wrong fluids and excercise too little or too much which also upsets the body's fine homeostasis, and there is no doubt that the advice to drink more water or to consume more minerals can be appropriate but each situation needs to be evaluated individually.
It seems to me that much of Dr Batmanghelidj's reports are likely to have been taken out of context and misread, which is not only unkind but unjust. I have not read all his report but a considerable amount seems to be misinterpreted.
And yes, most properly trained nutritional therapists (and nutritionists) may know more of the body's physiology and metabolics than most doctors because that is what they are working with using food, supplements and lifestyle to bring the body back to homeostasis and in a more likely place to allow the body to heal itself.
Unfortunately the focus of alopathic medicine on pharmaceuticals and surgery has lost us the understanding of many forms of natural healing for chronic illness - and as someone once said "Nobody got sick from lack of pharmaceuticals". Alopathic medicine has its place and undoubtedly does some wonderful work, but is just not so good with chronic disease or 'unexplained illness'.
Yes the body needs salt, the sodium calcium channels are essentially what IS the bioelectrical energy system. People misunderstand the vast difference between adding a bit of table salt to their food or taking a recommended diet of sodium, potassium, calcium and magnesium. They're the salts we should be striving for so of course if a person is cutting down on these, they're bound to faint, have cramps and even cause neurological damage. The same with having too much of these, the bioelectrical systems can't work effectively with the salts out of balance, just as all living systems have parameters to work in.
If you take a closer look at Dr Batmang's work, then you'll see that aspects of what you are saying here are not so out of sync with what he's saying.
As far as misunderstanding about table salt goes, honestly - I thought that was your initial knee jerk reaction, maybe I was wrong, maybe not?
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Originally Posted by Crowan
I didn't say he was a quack. I said 'Quackwatch' had an interesting article. Isn't it necessary for people to read all sides of an argument if they are going to be capable of making up their own minds?
I don’t often get called a quack – the word is usually ‘charlatan’, or sometimes, ‘crazy’. We all have differing views about what works and what doesn’t.
Yes of course, people need to see all side of the argument... and just for the record, I wouldn't assume that Shamans are quacks... but the spreading on unfounded hearsay/gossip/misinformation can (imo, general speaking and I don't mean you in this instance) have malicious effect and a possible 'Nuggets Of Gold' could be overlooked in the muddied waters.
(!!!As a side note, google Himalayan Salt Crystals).
Hi W.S.
Not sure if you'll read this but thanks for mentioning Himalayan salt crystals .
I have been taking them for a little while now since you posted this .
Here is a method of preparing these salts in order to drink a strong solution .
It's called 'sole' .
The mixture of water and crystal salt, called "Sole" (so-lay), is the most flexible physical representation of pure solar and light energy. When water and this salt come together they become a different product, Sole.
The word sole, is derived from the Latin word "sol", which means sun. Sole is nothing but the fluid materialization of sunlight. Sole means fluid sunlight or fluid light energy.
When water combines with salt the positive ions of the salt surround the negative ions of the water molecules and vice versa. The ions become hydrolyzed. In this process the geometrical structure of the salt and the water is changed and a totally new structure is formed, a third dimension. Water is no longer water and salt is not longer salt.
The crystalline structure of the salt, which has formed from great pressure over millions of years makes the salt organic and absorbable for the body.
The structure also contains nature's resonant frequency that is very profound with the vibration pattern lasting for over 24 hours in our bodies. The body requires this energy and vibration pattern when disease is present.
Every morning, take one teaspoon of sole mixed in a glass of good quality artesian or spring water. Drink this on an empty stomach before taking breakfast. The amount of water is up to you, but you only need one teaspoon of sole for your daily intake. The regularity is important. From a bio-chemical viewpoint, within minutes, the whole stomach and intestines are being stimulated. This in turn encourages digestion and metabolism.
The overall availability of electrolytes is built up and thus the conductivity in the body is increased, which in turn stimulates circulation and the nervous system.
Balance the Body's pH Factor and Get Rid of Heavy Metals .
The sole is an excellent product for balancing the pH environment of your body. Sole will break down the build up of heavy metals such as lead, mercury, arsenic, amalgam and calcium. For the body to get rid of these deposits it has to first metabolize them. Even animal proteins, which are difficult to break down and eliminate, will be eliminated through the urine due to the strong structural formation of the crystal salt. Always support this action with water intake of 8 to 10 glasses a day.
Preparation of Sole
1. Place several Himalayan Crystal Salt stones in a glass container and add high quality spring water until full.
2. After approximately 24 hours, look to see if the salt crystals have completely dissolved.
If so, add a few more crystals. When the water can no longer dissolve any more salt, the salt crystals will sit at the bottom of the jar without dissolving.
At this point the solution becomes saturated at 26%, which is stable and ready for consumption.
3. Take 1 teaspoon of the 26% solution in a glass of water every morning before breakfast.
NOTE: The glass container can be refilled again and again with water and salt, to continue the process .
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