Acupuncture in SIX! weekends!!!!

[Indo]

I had just noticed KORETHERAPY are providing training in Acupuncture for therapists in just 6 weekends with full accreditation and Insurance!

Quote - "There has long been the belief that acupuncture takes many years to learn, however this is only true if you want to diagnose a clients condition utilising the full extent of TCM"

At least some of the Chiros, Physio's, etc would have a good understanding of A&P but imagine your inexperienced practitioner performing Acupuncture.

Yet another symptomatic system for western medicine.


http://www.koretherapy.com/kore/6%20...e%20Course.pdf

[CarolineN]

Originally Posted by Indo

I had just noticed KORETHERAPY are providing training in Acupuncture for therapists in just 6 weekends with full accreditation and Insurance!

Quote - "There has long been the belief that acupuncture takes many years to learn, however this is only true if you want to diagnose a clients condition utilising the full extent of TCM"

At least some of the Chiros, Physio's, etc would have a good understanding of A&P but imagine your inexperienced practitioner performing Acupuncture.

Yet another symptomatic system for western medicine.


http://www.koretherapy.com/kore/6%20...e%20Course.pdf

Hi Indo

You've been away a while (I think) - you've been missed! I always enjoyed your posts.

As a regular recipient of acupuncture it concerns me that anyone might be accredited in 6 weekends of instruction . I certainly wouldn't risk going to them!

[David- Maldon]

Thanks for raising this Indo. After looking through the syllabus I'd be terrified of visiting anyone trained by this method. A total lack of anatomy and physiology, no safe needle practice, no hand hygiene awareness, no clinical safety audit, no CPD to update skills, no reflective practice... should I go on? The problem is that unsuspecting members of the public will have no real way of knowing that a practitioner has been trained this way, and will likely assume that anyone practising in a "medical" context has been properly trained. I admit, there were modules in my training that I probably didn't need, (PPD anyone?), but we were not even allowed to touch a needle till a minimum of 20 hours clinical observations. I did 450 hours of clinical training, 200 hours of A&P, 200 hours of pathology, 2 weeks in China and so on, and still felt underprepared to practise on the public.

It's this kind of problem that's been driving the BAcC's push for statutory regulation, and it's interesting that the whole process was stalled by the very people that have a minimal training. Maybe with more of this type of course being available the health department might reverse its stance on acupuncture regulation.

Just re-read the course content- not six weeks training but TWELVE DAYS!!!!

[lele72]

Hi
Are we talking about Acupressure derived from TCM or dry-needling??
I know Physiotherapist can learn the technique in few days to be used on clients for pain relief-control.

[the beagle]

i dont believe the course claims you will be a fully qualified in acupuncture, in deed it does claim that you can go on to a 3 year course to be fully qualified. its more of an introduction to the therapy in my eyes, identifing some problems that can be helped with the use of acupuncture.

like others had said physio's do not spend long learning acupuncture but no one stops them using the therapy.

i would also think that you already need a good understanding of A&P before attending this course

[Indo]

Originally Posted by CarolineN

Hi Indo

You've been away a while (I think) - you've been missed! I always enjoyed your posts.

As a regular recipient of acupuncture it concerns me that anyone might be accredited in 6 weekends of instruction . I certainly wouldn't risk going to them!

Thanks for the thoughts
I have been busy setting up my new clinic, website, building works, painting, yada...yada...yada!

As for the accreditation i believe DR Brasier is the vice president of FHT so theres your accreditation.

I'm just glad the CNHC are around to offer the public a chance to seek verified practitioners. I believe they are in talks with the BAC and other regulators to include Classic acupuncture but so far only Microsystems.

As a member of AcuC (Acupuncture Acutherapy Council) the guildlines and training are strict as is the BAC. And as these are the two biggest UK regulators of Acupuncture it would be nice to see them added to the CNHC register.

IMO the KORETherapy course have been a bit cheeky calling it 'Clinical Acupuncture' when in effect is is just 'Medical Acupuncture' as practiced buy physio's, Chiro's etc.

The public need to be aware of the differences, i am beginning to explain this to me clients prior to treatment.

This always reminds me of a time i tried to supply therapy for a local rugby club. I attended a few matches to show my face, but they had choose a very good looking Physio over me! i had not trained in Acupuncture them but had 5 years of Tui Na experience under my belt. It was obvious that they would choose her (men being men) i later heard that she also applied acupuncture in her weekly sessions. One of the players was a patient at the time and he told me that she tried to insert a needle into a calcified femoris muscle, bending the needle while trying

1. As a Physio she should have know the muscle was calcified!
2. Why the hell would you try to stick a needle in it!

It does make me laugh sometimes that people attend Acupuncture saying it doesn't work as they have tried it with their GP's! Which kind of goes like this......

Doctor: Good morning how can i help ( this doctor is a chirpy one )
Patient: Oh...i have pain in my elbow
Doctor: Ok lets do some acupuncture
Patient: will it work?
Doctor: I don't know! I'll just put a couple in here....that should do it
Patient: Oh...OK
Doctor: How does that feel?
Patient: cant really feel anything!
Doctor: Thats ok...right lets take them out now. NEXT!

All in your precious 4.5 minutes appointment

OH...Sorry.....i fogot to add ...Doctor: here take some Amyltriptaline for the inflammation!

INDO

[David- Maldon]

Been in contact with them today.... seems the ITEC A&P is enough to do this course
No disrespect intended: I've done the ITEC course, and no way is it AT ALL suitable for acupuncture. I'm sure it's great for it's intended purpose (padded out to qualify for QCA status and therefore government funding for courses for massage etc) but inappropriate for acupuncture.

Talking of "medical" acupuncture, I get a good laugh from my patients when I tell them about a local GP that forgot his patient was in the side-room, and went home with the patient still on the couch. Cleaner found her a few hours later.

Anyway, this 12 day course is a travesty and should be avoided at all costs. Physiotherapists and osteopaths are eligable for courses run via the CSP; these are still short courses, but at least there is an assumed proper level of A&P, pathology and clinical reasoning, unlike the course in question. Gets my goat though when they call themselves acupuncturists.

[Indo]

Its all about the money honey!!!

As the nation begins to seek a healthier life and the effectiveness of acupuncture is discovered, there is an influx of training courses, and even schoiols seeking practitioners to teach!

Have sent info to regulators for feedback.

[David- Maldon]

As a response to these courses I've put together a one day Taster course for people interested in acupuncture training, with a view to helping folk understand what it takes to become a real, competent acupuncturist as opposed to a dart-thrower.

These training days will give a complete overview of the process, the committment required and where to participate in ongoing training to fully qualified status.

I've tried to make them as affordable as possible, to encourage folk to give it a go.

[GingerRogers]

I spent 3 years studying TCM at Glyndwr Uni - and have continued to learn more in the last 3 years by treating people... and reading and reading....

Doing this is a few weeks is bonkers! I recently has some physio, where the Physio insisted on giving me acupuncture... and I didn' like to say - WHY are you sticking thte needle THERE?... But I did.... O dear.... Didn't go down well.

I think in 6 weeks you could get the basics of Yin & Yang. Thats about it!!

[Indo]

Originally Posted by GingerRogers

I think in 6 weeks you could get the basics of Yin & Yang. Thats about it!!

Lets remind ourselves this is a 12 Day! Course



here's another
www.acupractioner.com - Three Treasures School of TCM - Home

These guys are good and understand where they are coming from....BUT...... certifying anyone to practice acupuncture before they understand the system itself is VERY DANGEROUS!!!

Once someone is approved, they become insured, it only takes one of them to read Deadmans book realise that the classic depths are different and try it on an unsuspecting client.......then its just an matter of time before....PING!!!!

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[Indo]

Originally Posted by David- Maldon

As a response to these courses I've put together a one day Taster course for people interested in acupuncture training, with a view to helping folk understand what it takes to become a real, competent acupuncturist as opposed to a dart-thrower.

These training days will give a complete overview of the process, the committment required and where to participate in ongoing training to fully qualified status.

I've tried to make them as affordable as possible, to encourage folk to give it a go.

Any CDP with that David?

[David- Maldon]

here's another
www.acupractioner.com - Three Treasures School of TCM - Home

Had a look at the syllabus- they accept distance learning for A&P! I knew things were getting bad, but FGS!

Link to my site, if you would be so kind, and I'll do the same. We need to spread the word that Acupuncture MUST be learned properly!

Perhaps other "real" practitioners could do the same? Spread the word about these short courses

WOULD YOU WANT YOUR MOTHER TO BE TREATED BY SOMEONE DOING THIS COURSE?

[Indo]

Originally Posted by David- Maldon

Link to my site, if you would be so kind, and I'll do the same. We need to spread the word that Acupuncture MUST be learned properly!

Which site?

Quote from website......

"Newly Qualified?
Have you recently qualified from a short course but feel you need a little more training? On our Top-Up courses you can gain extra practice to help build confidence, in a friendly clinic environment.These session are available by request, and are individually tailored to fill the gaps left by short courses."

Healthcare Professional?
Healthcare practitioners regulated by the HPC usually learn a truncated form of acupuncture delivered in as little as two weekends. Our courses aim to build on these by allowing further skills-based practice sessions designed to improve understanding of basic protocols, with the additional bonus of TCM theories and applications missing from medical acupuncture courses.


Is this not aimed at the same people that will be attending the very courses we are discussing here?

[David- Maldon]

That's the whole point! Get 'em in and then show them how little they know, and just maybe, they might start to think about training properly.

For instance, I have a mate that's a nurse in a GP's surgery that regularly does acupuncture with no, repeat NO formal training. I'm hoping that it's people like this that I can reach, and help them become more aware of their limits. Thing is, if the site looks as if its telling them off for having a poor training, how likely are they to come for more?